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Why people who voted for Obama twice are suddenly in love with Donald Trump
.businessinsider.com ^ | 25 Aug 2015 | Brett Logiurato and Adam Banicki

Posted on 08/25/2015 6:53:15 PM PDT by 11th_VA

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To: Oklahoma
You are basically saying “We can’t nominate a Conservative so we’ll have to settle for something less, a gamble on a RINO named Trump, the worst RINO running.”

Well, last I checked the folks bashing Trump were not your leading Conserevatvies.  LINK

Cruz hasn't trashed Trump.  Jim Robinson isn't trashing Trump.  I'm not trashing Trump.  Many fine unstanding people on this forum are not trashing Trump.  Why?

Is it because Jim, I, and others support Leftists?

To be fair, Jim is still pushing Cruz with Trump as a fall-back position, but we've listened to Trump and he's not hawking Leftist dogma.

I can understand why you are leary of him.  Fine.  If Cruz can't get the nomination then what?

Once Bush or another GOPe Leftist gets the nod, then what?  Four more years of a RINO leading the nation, or four more years with someone like Hillary, Sanders, or Biden.


This time in 2007 and this time in 2011, who thought we'd wind up with McCain or Romney.  Why we dismissed them.  How did that work out?


I’m not surrendering, either, and I support the best Conservative running this time around, Cruz.

And we all supported the best Conservatives running in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012.  Gosh wasn't that fun and fulfilling.

None of our Conservatives won, but of course this year for the first time in 32 years, the clouds will sudden party, sun will shine down, and Cruz will be nominated.

Not gonna happen.

Democrats and Liberal Republicans outnumber us.

It's Trump or the GOPe shill.  Take your pick.


Your hatred of Bush clouds your thinking. He won’t even make it past the Southern primary.


What did you think McCain's chances were?


41 posted on 08/25/2015 7:44:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Trump’s not a conservative, not nearly.

“...of the nearly $420,000 Trump has donated to committees, the largest recipient has been the Democratic Senatorial Campaign “

According to a Center for Responsive Politics analysis of Trump’s federal campaign contribution history, The Donald has been a prolific donor to both Democrats and Republicans during the past two decades.

In all, Trump has contributed to 96 candidates running for federal political office since the 1990 election cycle, the Center finds. Only 48 of the recipients — exactly half — were Republicans at the time they received their contribution, including ex-Gov. Charlie Crist (I-Fla.) and ex-Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.), who both of whom received their Trump contributions as Republicans.

Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump’s political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle.

The top Republican recipient of Trump’s money is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) who has collected $13,600 from the billionaire magnate, the second most of any politician. Trump did not contribute to McCain during the 2010 election cycle, during which the former presidential candidate was facing re-election.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has received the fourth-largest amount of Trump’s contributions, including $4,800 in the successful 2010 campaign against Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. In total Trump has contributed $10,400 to Reid.

However, of the nearly $420,000 Trump has donated to committees, the largest recipient has been the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee with $116,000 — or more than one fourth of his total contributions to all party and political action committees.

Read more at http://patriotupdate.com/donald-trumps-donations-to-democrats/


42 posted on 08/25/2015 7:54:55 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Jim Noble

You’ll be surprised at how many hidden members of Friends of Ronnie are in Hollywood. This is why we told gary Sinise to STFU about our numbers...


43 posted on 08/25/2015 7:59:30 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: D-fendr

I urge you to vote for Cruz if you like. It won’t matter, but you can feel good about yourself and continue to try to cast others as supporting a Leftist.

I have listened to Trump. He’s not hawking Leftist policy.

He donated to many people reagardless of party affiliation. I don’t like it, but from people I’ve talked to, that’s what large businesses do. If your state is heavily Democratic, you wind up giving to Democrats who may help you later.

Trump has his own interests at stake, and he also has the interests of 22,500 employees at stake.

That’s not how we operate, but then we don’t have $11 billion dollar enterprises on the line. He does.

The guy is going to do good things. I expect him to do some bad things too.

Gosh, we’ve never seen that before... er a well, okay we have.


44 posted on 08/25/2015 8:10:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne

If Trump gets the nomination I’ll vote for him just like I voted for both Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney. That doesn’t mean I’ll like it. I didn’t like it then, either, but they were better than the democrat alternative. It will be one more lost opportunity to get a Conservative in office.

I’m not a single issue voter. I look at the totality of a candidate’s positions based on how believable I think the candidate really is. Trump’s late hour conversion to moderate conservatism isn’t convincing. He’ll appoint a bunch of his New York cronies and at best be another Nixon or Ford.

I was a Conservative before I was a Republican. In fact in 1976 and 1980 I was one of those Reagan democrats. Never compare Reagan to Trump. Reagan wasn’t perfect but he was the best president in my lifetime. Trump isn’t fit to shine Reagan’s shoes.

If Cruz washes out early I’ll go to my second, third, or fourth choice based on my opinion not others on the forums.

It won’t be Trump.


45 posted on 08/25/2015 8:12:06 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: 11th_VA

Because Trump offers hope and change?


46 posted on 08/25/2015 8:12:16 PM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: 11th_VA



47 posted on 08/25/2015 8:22:00 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Oklahoma

Trump comes off as arrogant as Obama and that makes me want to say, “Dump Trump”


48 posted on 08/25/2015 8:22:00 PM PDT by shineon
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To: Oklahoma

You are missing the whole point.

Look, we both want a real Conservative, but that isn’t going to happen.

We have open primaries with both Democrats and Moderate Republicans voting against us. It’s numerically impossible for Cruz to win the nomination.

This is EXACTLY why we haven’t nominated one Conservative since 1984. Look folks, I wish we could vote Cruz straight in too. We can’t, and it’s been three decades that we have been trying. I’m not making this up. You know I’m right.

Trump is like Reagan in a number of ways. He can handle the press. He is adored by people who see him telling it like it is. He isn’t using a teleprompter. He shoots from the hip. He isn’t triangulating us with crafted words that have been tested a thousand times in front of various test groups.

He is also addressing exactly what this nation needs right now. Thinking back to Reagan you recognize that exact same type of delivery. Folks instinctively knew Reagan loved the nation, and they instinctively know Trump does.

I realize there’s an acceptance factor here. Many Republicans are going to think we are being gamed. We always give a former lib this treatment. In Trump’s case, I think he sees what is taking place in our nation and wants to make it right.

He’s not going to go lightly with fools. The Unavision reporter this evening was shown the door early on. Trump won’t be cowered by these fools. And yes, dare say it, that’s Reaganeske.

You are repulsed by the comparison. I am not.

We need a larger than life person right now. We have one. He’s hawking out ideals.

He says something we don’t like, and the next day he’s clarifying in our direction.

Go ahead and rebel against the idea. In four year you may have been right. You may also have to eat some crow, because this guy gets things done.

This is exactly what the doctor ordered.

He has been a very successful CEO. Tell me we don’t need one right now.

And sure, he has contacts in high places. Good. For once a professional doing the job. Should be interesting...


49 posted on 08/25/2015 8:25:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I don’t like it, but from people I’ve talked to, that’s what large businesses do.

No. It's not what people with principles do. No matter how large their business. Hillary? Rangel? Reid? Democrat Senate Committee? That's not who conservative businessmen - big or small - support.

He’s not hawking Leftist policy.

He always hawks whatever he thinks people buy.

Trump has his own interests at stake

Yep. Period. Always has. Not anyone or anything else - including the Republic.

50 posted on 08/25/2015 8:26:57 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: JediJones

People HERE are doing that, speaking as to how he makes men men instead of metrosexuals. Sounds neat I guess, but not really a selling point for me.


51 posted on 08/25/2015 8:34:22 PM PDT by American Faith Today
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To: orionrising

They do when they’re acting on emotion. It’s not always the best thing for humans to do. The Venezuelans supported Hugo Chavez because he was the alpha male in the room. Didn’t work out.


52 posted on 08/25/2015 8:34:39 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: DoughtyOne
In Trump’s case, I think he sees what is taking place in our nation and wants to make it right.

FRiend, couldn't disagree with you more. You see Trump as a white knight; I see him as the flim-flam man. If his past is prologue...

53 posted on 08/25/2015 8:35:38 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: 11th_VA
Why not?

Makes a lot of promises that cannot be fulfilled
Has zero Military experience
Has zero diplomatic experience
Has had near-zero experience in government
Narcissist

54 posted on 08/25/2015 8:42:44 PM PDT by kidd
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To: D-fendr
I don’t like it, but from people I’ve talked to, that’s what large businesses do.

No. It's not what people with principles do. No matter how large their business. Hillary? Rangel? Reid? Democrat Senate Committee? That's not who conservative businessmen - big or small - support.

For you and I, exactly right.  I agree with you.

When it comes to a business, this is customary.  Trump did business in New York, and the people he had to deal with were Democrats.  Locally and in the U. S. Senate.

It this disturbs you, that's okay.  I can understand where you're coming from.  You either understand this or you don't.  It's up to you.  I'm just explaining it.


He’s not hawking Leftist policy.

He always hawks whatever he thinks people buy.

Okay, then you aren't happy he's selling Conservatism to a whole new generation of people.  Think about that.  He is our messenger right now, whether you like it or not.

People who are out in the general public don't play the inside baseball we do.  They see this guy hawking Conservatism, and they are buying in.  That is exactly what is taking place.


Trump has his own interests at stake  [ Trump has his own interests at stake, and he also has the interests of 22,500 employees at stake. ]

Yep. Period. Always has. Not anyone or anything else - including the Republic.


I would apprecaite it if you wouldn't truncate my comments to create an impression I didn't qualify them with additional information.  Thank you.

Once again, whether you like it or not, Trumps interests weren't the only ones on the line.

The families of 22,500 people were on the line.

The community surrounding Trump enterprises were on the line.

Suppliers, tradesmen, nearby businesses, the city, country, state, and federal tax receipts, were all dependent on his enterprises being successfully run.

In addition, people looking for the services Trump enterprises provided, were provided with excellent service choices.

Under Capitalism, people are supposed to do their best to look out for their personal interests.  It's the greatest motivating factor for Capitalism.  Who knew?




55 posted on 08/25/2015 8:43:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: D-fendr

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he is going to be our next president.

I hope you’re wrong. We will see.


56 posted on 08/25/2015 8:44:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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The families of 22,500 people were on the line... Suppliers, tradesmen, nearby businesses, the city, country, state..

And Hillary as President and the Senate in Democrat control is better for them. A Democrat congress is better for them..?

Trump is supposed to be the anti-establishment, beat the system guy. But he couldn't beat them in his own backyard?

Occam's razor: It made more money for the Donald to play a corrupt system than to fight for the right principles.

57 posted on 08/25/2015 8:51:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he is going to be our next president.

He would be a horrible nominee and a disastrous dictator, er, president. The further he goes toward either, the worse it is for our country.

I think we disagree. :)

I'll make a side bet that, no way he gets elected. He's Hillary's dream opponent.

58 posted on 08/25/2015 8:53:44 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Go ahead and spew. Meanwhile Trump will be out there selling our beliefs to a new generation.


59 posted on 08/25/2015 8:54:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: D-fendr

Sound good.

He’ll rip her to absolute shreds. For once her opponent won’t sugar coat what the tramp has been up to for decades.


60 posted on 08/25/2015 8:55:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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