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The Plot to Impose a National Sales Tax or Value Added Tax
Freedom Outpost ^ | 8/24/2015 | Publius Huldah 

Posted on 08/26/2015 6:47:59 AM PDT by HomerBohn

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To: HomerBohn
There it is: All that's needed is approval of two-thirds of the members of each House and a new national sales tax and/or value added tax is imposed on us. And they can increase it, along with increasing the income tax, whenever they get two-thirds of the members to vote for it.

All you need right now is half, so two thirds would be an improvement. Unless you think that a court would rule that a sales tax isn't now explicitly allowed and overturn it and this would change that.

21 posted on 08/26/2015 7:53:09 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The 1st amendment is the voice and the 2nd is the teeth of freedom. Obama wants to knock out both.)
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To: HomerBohn

Taxation without representation...

sounds familiar...somehow...


22 posted on 08/26/2015 7:54:34 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: taxcontrol
The method of tax collection is not the problem as the amount of taxes collected will remain roughly the same. The real problem is spending and Congress’s ability to have unlimited borrowing.

Economically, you're correct. But in terms of psychology, having the tax be visible on every purchase will at least make the average non-political type acutely aware of the cost of government.

Remember, a lot of these folks see their income tax refund as "free money". Got to change their perceptions to get enough popular groundswell to do something about all that spending.

23 posted on 08/26/2015 7:55:52 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: lewislynn
I'm more than just a little familiar with the Fairtax

Your repeatedly debunked falsehoods on the subject would belie this assertion.

24 posted on 08/26/2015 7:56:55 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: kevkrom

I agree with your point - up to a point. Most people can’t tell you how much they spend in sales tax now. I imagine that Congress and retailers will want to move to an “all inclusive” price / bill that would require the customer to jump through hoops to find out the actual itemized bill that shows the tax.


25 posted on 08/26/2015 8:17:39 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Rusty0604

Unfortunately, you are so right!


26 posted on 08/26/2015 8:17:59 AM PDT by HomerBohn (When did it change from "We the people" to "screw the people" ?)
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To: Reno89519

You’re sorry?


27 posted on 08/26/2015 8:19:28 AM PDT by HomerBohn (When did it change from "We the people" to "screw the people" ?)
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To: HomerBohn

Mitch the bitch has already stated that there will be no shut down. So a national sales tax is inevitable as long as he is running the Senate.


28 posted on 08/26/2015 8:24:29 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: HomerBohn

I wouldn’t trust a national sales tax or VAT tax proposal, because it is too likely to be tacked on in addition to an income tax. They lower income tax rates, get vat or sales tax, and then they have two taxes to administer and end up jacking up both.


29 posted on 08/26/2015 8:28:40 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: originalbuckeye

I’m in the automobile business. For 24 years. And it would flat kill new car sales.


30 posted on 08/26/2015 8:36:31 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: HomerBohn
A most regressive tax -- so no wonder "progressives" like it. It keeps the hoi polloi down and keeps their money safely in their hands.
31 posted on 08/26/2015 8:41:54 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Rusty0604
"They say they want a national sales tax to replace the income tax, but that would not last. It would be in addition to the income tax."

This is exactly right. There's no way in hell that they would simply replace the income tax with a retail or VAT orientated tax. This would be on top of the income tax as they have plans for that additional revenue in the form of new social programs, student loan payoffs, and so on.

The far scarier scenario for me is the imposition of a retail or VAT type tax along with the taking of retirement plans. Before you say it would never happen, if the government came up with a plan where you signed over your retirement fund for a guaranteed amount each month and you didn't have to worry about investing, taxes, etc., I think that 51% of the population would easily vote for it, if not more.

32 posted on 08/26/2015 8:47:51 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: aegiscg47

That is a threat. The politicians see all that money just laying around in private 401K accounts and they try to think of how they can get their hands on it and put it to good use. All in the name of fairness of course.


33 posted on 08/26/2015 9:00:39 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: HomerBohn; All

Just a PS to the VAT proposal. The first time I visited Britain, I was told to save my receipts for everything I bought to bring home. When I left, I went to a VAT station at Heathrow and claimed back the VAT charges on my gifts. A few weeks later, I received a check for that extra money. Tourists are refunded the VAT......only those living in the country are assessed.


34 posted on 08/26/2015 9:20:00 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: HomerBohn

bkmk


35 posted on 08/26/2015 10:40:24 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: HomerBohn
I have no problem whatsoever with a NRST ... providing the income tax is scrapped and repealed from the constitution
36 posted on 08/26/2015 10:59:42 AM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: HomerBohn

A national sales tax INSTEAD of an income tax, perhaps not a bad idea.

A national sales tax ON TOP OF an income tax, an economy killer.


37 posted on 08/26/2015 11:19:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: central_va
The plus side to tariffs are that they are voluntary

How would an oil tariff be voluntary?

38 posted on 08/27/2015 5:36:03 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
In the strictest sense if you are going to tariff raw materials as well as manufactured goods, note: I am not for tariffing raw materials, then don't buy fuel. Move to a city were the collective "public transportation" offsets the higher fuel costs and makes it insignificant.

But like I said I am not for putting duties on raw materials.

39 posted on 08/27/2015 5:39:50 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
In the strictest sense if you are going to tariff raw materials ... then don't buy fuel.

Because putting a tariff on foreign oil will raise domestic fuel prices.

But somehow, magically, if you put a tariff on foreign manufactured products, the domestic manufactured product doesn't go up in price?

When you say it out loud, you realize how silly your voluntary claim was.

40 posted on 08/27/2015 5:46:50 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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