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To: Carry_Okie

Okay, then you seem to think there’s a good chance...

...he loves Obamacare.
...he doesn’t really care about our veterans.
...he doesn’t really care about our national debt.
...he doesn’t want to rebuild the military.
...he thinks Obama and company did a great job on the Iran negotiations.
...he really doesn’t care about abortion.
...he really doesn’t object to common core.
...he really wants the Department of Education to dominate education from Washington, D. C.
...he really doesn’t care about illegal immigration.
...he doesn’t want to build a wall.
...he doesn’t think our trade deals are bad.
...he doesn’t care if we are energy independent.
...and on and on it goes.

Seriously?

You don’t trust him at all?

What is that distrust built on, the trust-ablity of folks like President Bush, who stabbed us in the back as often as not?

It’s a carp shoot no matter who it is.

And as for Cruz or the best whoever that is, how do we get them past the Democrats and Moderate Republicans who vote with us in the primaries?

It has been since 1984 that we haven’t elected a Conservative in nomination process. Want to try again this year and see how it works out, until it’s too late, and we have to wait another four years?

Should we just plan now not to participate again next November?

I’m not voting for the run of the mill Lefist like Bush. He won’t even tell me he’ll do what I want. So it’s a given he won’t. At least Trump cares enough to lie to me.

I’d rather find you he’s a liar, than vote for someone who tells me up front he’ll sell out the nation.

I respect liars more than traitors.


34 posted on 08/27/2015 9:47:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Okay, then you seem to think there’s a good chance...

You should know better than to put words in my mouth. No, I don't know what he thinks. I don't think anybody does.

...he loves Obamacare.

In the not-so distant past, he's come out in favor of single-payer and the Canadian healthcare system.

...he doesn’t really care about our veterans.

I haven't seen him come out with a concrete proposal on the VA. Have you? If it really was important to him, don't you think he would have expressed some specific ideas by now?

...he doesn’t really care about our national debt.

Well let's take a look at Donald's opinion of Xero's early performance in office:

It hasn’t been this way since 1929. So he doesn’t have much choice—he will simply have to be great, which he has a very good chance of being. What he has done is amazing. The fact that he accomplished what he has—in one year and against great odds—is truly phenomenal. If someone had asked me if a black man or woman could become president, I would have said yes, but not yet. Barack Obama proved that determination combined with opportunity and intelligence can make things happen—and in an exceptional way. He is not walking into an easy or enviable situation. As of October of 2008, the U.S. government reported a $237 billion deficit. The good news is that Obama seems to be well aware of the situation. His comments have led me to believe that he understands how the economy works on a comprehensive level. He has also surrounded himself with very competent people, and that’s the mark of a strong leader. I seem to remember exchanges like this with you about Arnold. Don't you?

...he doesn’t want to rebuild the military.

Again, no concrete proposals. He's now taking credit for being against the Iraq war without mentioning that things were pretty quiet there when Bush was done and it was Xero's withdrawal that precipitated the current disaster there. So although it is legitimate to be against the war in the first place, once in we had to win. We did. Xero threw it away. So Trump throws rocks at GWB because he's running against JEB? Really? Seems hardly reasoned or just to me. Do you want a posturing hothead in that job?

...he thinks Obama and company did a great job on the Iran negotiations.

Oh he's good at throwing rocks at anything. So, what specifically does he propose to do to keep Iran from going nuclear? Sanctions have not stopped them and would do less now. Do you really take his threat to borderline embargo Europe seriously if they don't concede to reinstituteing sanctions? How would that work?

...he really doesn’t care about abortion.

HOW deeply does he care with this if he offered his praise for his sister without ANY qualification? Not even, "we don't always agree."

...he really doesn’t object to common core. ...he really wants the Department of Education to dominate education from Washington, D. C.

Here at least he's come out consistently as anti-union and pro-voucher. So I'll give you that one, but it's not much more than boilerplate.

...he really doesn’t care about illegal immigration.

He's in the hotel, restaurant, golf course, and construction business. Hence, he's a big employer of illegals and has said that after supposedly ejecting millions of them (despite that each gets at least a hearing), he'll welcome back "the good ones." What does that mean?

...he doesn’t want to build a wall.

The question really revolves around what will he do to get past the Federal judges that will surely issue multiple injunctions against its construction. Will he then shrug or ignore them? Will he build camps capable of handling that many people waiting for a hearing complete with water and sewage treatment? I have my doubts.

...he doesn’t think our trade deals are bad.

Woopie. Has he told us what he's going to do to deal with China's currency manipulations when we owe them over a trillion? His blandishments aren't convincing.

...he doesn’t care if we are energy independent.

At what price? Does he want gas prices high enough to support total independence? That's what it takes to bear the cost of fracking. I haven't heard ANYTHING thoughtful about the topic from him other than we should be, which is just empty posturing, just like the rest of it.

...and on and on it goes.

You didn't mention taxes, where he's seriously flipflopped more than once.

Seriously?

Seriously.

You don’t trust him at all?

Not a bit.

Yet none of these issues touch on my biggest concern about Trump. He says HE is going to do all these things, without Congress? Are we going to depose one imperial President and replace him with another of the same temperament? What happened to limited government and the separation of powers? He doesn't even talk about that.

What is that distrust built on, the trust-ablity of folks like President Bush, who stabbed us in the back as often as not?

His record.

It’s a carp shoot no matter who it is.

I don't volunteer for a crap shoot by pointing a revolver at my head.

And as for Cruz or the best whoever that is, how do we get them past the Democrats and Moderate Republicans who vote with us in the primaries?

Biden for President! Do I need a sarc tag?

Why is it that you are so motivated by fear? It turns conservatives into chumps. It has been since 1984 that we haven’t elected a Conservative in nomination process. Want to try again this year and see how it works out, until it’s too late, and we have to wait another four years?

I heard this about Arnold too, despite the Gallup data that said McClintock would have won if Republicans had voted according to their ideological preferences, rather than their fears.

Should we just plan now not to participate again next November?

We're months away from the Iowa caucuses and you're trotting out this kind of argument?

I’m not voting for the run of the mill Lefist like Bush. He won’t even tell me he’ll do what I want. So it’s a given he won’t. At least Trump cares enough to lie to me.

So did Bush.

Looks to me like you're getting desperate. Is it time for that yet?

65 posted on 08/27/2015 10:44:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I’d rather find [out] he’s a liar, than vote for someone who tells me up front he’ll sell out the nation.

I respect liars more than traitors.

LOL! Cynical Conservatives Unite.

If Trump becomes President and doesn't deliver on his high level agenda in a real and meaningful way he will be a 4 and out President. The Republican base has shown as far back as GW Sr. that when you say high level stuff like "Read my lips No New Taxes!" we expect you to deliver.

As far as understanding Trump, my analysis of his campaign can be summed up as follows: IT's AMERICA FIRST, STUPID!

As far as how he is going to get things done I think he's already shown us. He's going to fight for his proposals. He's not going to wilt at the first bad thing said about him in the MSM or by his opposition. He's not going to backdown. Not to Megyn Kelly, not to Jorge Ramos, not to anyone. He's accomplished in a very short period of time what the other candidates dream they could accomplish.

92 posted on 08/28/2015 12:15:06 AM PDT by stig
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