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Communist China Dumps U.S. Debt Amid Economic Turmoil
The New American ^ | 9/1/2015 | Alex Newman

Posted on 09/01/2015 3:28:56 AM PDT by HomerBohn

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To: LS
I’m with you: so, if they dump US treasuries the bonds become with more. So they are selling cheap and increasing the value of the 85% of debt WE hold? Sounds stupid to me.

No. Bonds are sold based on the value of the rate at which they were issued, time remaining, etc.

There is a bond market, entities that want to purchase bonds. U.S. bonds on the secondary market compete with U.S. bonds on the primary market. So traditionally, If we want to sell $100 billion in bonds, we have to offer an interest rate on them sufficient to entice $100 billion in purchases. Secondary bonds are just as "good" as primary bonds, so imagine that we a selling cars. We produce the exact same model every year and sell "X" number of them. China has been buying them, and storing those brand new cars to sell themselves on a rainy day. Now the Chinese bring $100 billion in our brand new cars to the market, at the same time that we are trying to sell $100 billion in the same cars. What happens? At the standard price, there aren't enough buyers. The Chinese can discount their bonds to unload them, if they really need the cash, but we must service our giant debt, so we will have to compete by raising the rates on those bonds to attract more buys. 5% of $20 trillion is $1 trillion. If rates go to 1982 levels, we'll need $4 trillion to just pay our interest, and we don't have it.

21 posted on 09/01/2015 5:47:14 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Ah, I see. So, there is the option of saying “screw you” to the Chinese as well then.


22 posted on 09/01/2015 6:39:45 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: ExSES

I believe US taxpayers are the second largest holders of US debt thanks to QE1/2 and 3

Now with China bailing, maybe the largest holder

Hey, we borrow money and print more to pay the interest!

Obama not gonna be able to call his Saudi masters to buy US treasuries with oil sinking


23 posted on 09/01/2015 6:40:09 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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Ah, I see. So, there is the option of saying “screw you” to the Chinese as well then.

Sorry, but you lost me. How exactly would that work? Bonds are frangible. As the article said, most are held by European financial institutions for the Chinese.

When someone sells their stock on the NYSE, you don't know who is selling when you buy. Same with the bond market.

If you start threatening people who purchase your bonds with retaliation, should they decide to sell their investment, you aren't going to sell many bonds going forward.

24 posted on 09/01/2015 7:44:56 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Yes, I get it. Ok.


25 posted on 09/01/2015 7:49:04 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: knarf

I had to read your last sentence three times to get that “let me be clear” feeling. At the moment my opinion is the USSC and the US Senate, are the most dangerous organizations respecting our freedom and liberty, followed close behind by the immigrating hordes from the South and East.

China... remaining comments self censored.


26 posted on 09/01/2015 8:15:55 AM PDT by wita
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Don’t want to say China is a pack of wolves.

Soros telling China what to do though is kind of like a cow trying to give orders to a pack of wolves.


27 posted on 09/01/2015 8:26:08 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

wolves eat cows

someday even Soros’ money won’t stave off the wolves
Just hope we live to see it


28 posted on 09/01/2015 8:29:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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