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To: nathanbedford

We have open primaries. We have Democrats and Moderate Republicans selecting our nominee.

I don’t see a single Conservative that will survive that.

I have two words for my friends here. McCain & Romney

I wouldn’t have counted Romney out, but I’ll guarantee you I would have counted McCain out. Look what happened. We could have picked up a drunk out back of the local Grade F dive, and he would have been better than McCain.

Do you think Cruz gets the nomination?

How does that happen in a process that has most recently given us McCain and Romney?

So we go into the primaries and in eight weeks we’re already 80% of the say to a Bush, Christie, or Fiorina nomination. What then? It’s over!

Then later in the year we barf through another Convention where our views are not heralded. Our people are not nominated. And frankly, I put away my voting pen for another four years.

I am sick of this routine.

I know what you said is reasoned. So what do we do?

You have taken our only untried option off the table. You’ve just guaranteed we don’t do anything until 2020. And then Trump is gone, and we don’t have someone who can handle the press and the GOPe.

So in 2020, we’re guaranteed to lose again.
So in 2024, we’re guaranteed to lose again.
So in 2028, we’re guaranteed to lose again.
So in 2032, we’re guaranteed to lose again.

When do we vote for someone that at least voices our ideals in a general election again? I seriously do not see that in our future.

We have one opportunity. We may get some of what we want. What do we get with the next RINO?

You’ve got a House made up of 90% Democrats.

You’ve got a Senate made up of 98% Democrats.

Which guy other than Trump goes to the American public and gets them to blister their representative’s or Senator’s ears?

We’re wasting our time here, if we’re going to play the GOPe’s game one more election.

The national debt in 2020 will be $24 trillion.

If you have a suggestion, I’m all ears.


285 posted on 09/02/2015 11:11:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Each new grotesquerie by Trump energizes his supporters to excuse it often with the argument of electability. Others argue that he will be effective in governance and compare him to Rinos but rarely compare him to Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz has proven his constitutional bona fides he proved it on his feet all night long in front of the Senate and in front of millions of Americans that he will fight the fight. We have every reason to believe that Cruz will fight on behalf of consistent conservative principles. We have no reason to believe that Trump will have any consistent conservative philosophy even if elected. His biography screams otherwise, that he will govern ad hoc as an ego trip.

There is one issue on which Trump has a slight edge, that issue is more than dominant it is decisive: immigration.

If immigration continues, even without amnesty, the Republicans will not win another election in my lifetime and probably for a whole generation after that. That is because the Democrats, facilitated often by the courts, are jiggering the election laws and furnishing illegal immigrants with drivers licenses with which they will gain entry into the polling booths. That is going on without amnesty, with amnesty there simply is no hope.

No hope for the country, not just for a conservative country but no hope for a nation that resembles a nation in which I grew up or a nation which is not simply absorbed into a polyglot, amorphous global village very likely severely regimented and certainly much poorer. We might become Muslim, we might become the victims of the Chinese, we might find ourselves regimented by the environmentalists, or a new force might emerge but one thing is clear, an America faithful to the Bill of Rights and to its Constitution will simply not survive. Without a check on immigration there can be no effective national defense, no hope of bringing the budget under control to avoid a calamity, no national consensus to oppose radical Islam or aggressive Chinese expansionism. There will be no sense of nation.

I give Trump the edge on immigration over Ted Cruz, but just a small edge because Trump can't be trusted, Trump is not motivated by conservative values, he will not seek to curb immigration to protect conservatism or even to protect the Constitution, he will do it because he thinks it makes economic sense. If we have to choose between the two, I believe Cruz will fight to protect the Constitution. But Cruz is not right on the visas and he has not been strong enough on deportation.

I do not fault people for choosing Trump for his stance on immigration (although I do believe they are engaging in a lot of wishful thinking concerning his stance), I do fault conservatives who are willfully blind to the man's failings.


312 posted on 09/02/2015 11:56:43 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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