Ben Carson: Give Illegals Six Months to Register as Guest Workers (and Citizenship later...)

CNS News ^ | 9/14/15 | Melanie Hunter

[SaxxonWoods]

We can’t round them up. But we’ll round up the ones that don’t register within 6 months. How will we know they’ve been here over 6 months?

[drpix]

You're another one who has chosen to ignore all the hundreds of articles posted here on FR which demolish the myth of making tax paying immigrants of illegals through legalization.

Even when legal, most of today's immigrants rarely have to pay income taxes. They instead receive Earned Income Credits and Additional Child Tax Credits - in addition to the various welfare benefits they flock to (EBT, WIC, Medicaid. Housing-Subsidies, et..). All of which they TAKE ADVANTAGE of at a far higher rate than native born Americans.

[Haiku Guy]

Why not just deport illegal aliens and not give them work permits? For a FReeper, I find it surprising that you want the government to increase the minimum wage for anyone.

If I had my druthers, I would eliminate the minimum wage for citizens. I would gladly let the market set the rate for labor.

However, for guest workers, a minimum wage makes sense, to ensure that they are only used where labor is scarce. If there are no native workers available at $19.50 an hour, I have no problem with hiring a guest worker for a limited term at $20.00.

The result of such a policy would be that the number of legal jobs for guest workers would be small. Combine that with an effective eVerify system and elimination of benefits for guest workers, and people would deport themselves.

[Vendome]

They came here to improve their lot in life but, did so knowing the risks.

Let em live with their decision

[Haiku Guy]

The keys is giving people the right incentives.

You want to give people who are here an incentive to register and start living within the law. So allow legal guest workers and eliminate illegal employment.

You want to give people the incentive to work, instead of being on the dole. So make work legal and eliminate welfare for guest workers.

You want to give people the incentive to leave. So limit the number of jobs and put an expiration date on their guest worker card.

[Theodore R.]

Ben may be nice, but like Romney (and Trump for that matter) he can’t carry his home state.

[al_c]

DU troll? Wow.

No, I am not a DU troll. And no, I don’t expect all of them to follow the rules. That’s my point. Those that don’t can and should be rounded up and shipped back across the border. The FEW that would actually apply for a work visa can be the exception. But that would be a very small number of the hordes that have infiltrated our country.

[Sans-Culotte]

How about paying back taxes? “When did you enter the US?” “For each year you were working in the US, did you file a Federal income tax return? A state income tax return?” “What Social Security number did you enter on each tax return?” “If you did any work for cash payment, did you file a Schedule C and pay self-employment tax of 15.3%?”

Of course, those questions will have to first be translated into whatever dialect those "guest workers" happen to speak.

[al_c]

If you "don't see the problem with this" you're just not paying attention. Here is one recent, among the hundred of articles posted here on FR, of exactly what are among the many PROBLEMs with this: "Immigrant Welfare Addiction - It's not just illegal aliens who are the problem.”

Thank you for the link … I’ll look into it. I was hoping someone would offer another viewpoint that I could consider. Too bad you had to be snide about it.

You must be making a point of avoiding those threads.

Just how many threads are posted to FR in a day? Do you read every single one of them? Do you even notice them all? o.O

[kabar]

However, for guest workers, a minimum wage makes sense, to ensure that they are only used where labor is scarce. If there are no native workers available at $19.50 an hour, I have no problem with hiring a guest worker for a limited term at $20.00.

For legal guest workers, the law says the prevailing wage. Employers are supposed to certify that no Americans are available to do the job. They system is abused and fraudulent.

The real question is do we need guest workers at a time when the labor participation rate is at a 38 year low? Moreover, we bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year (all eligible for work permits) along with 640,000 guest workers annually. Is it any wonder that we have a massive surplus of labor?

The result of such a policy would be that the number of legal jobs for guest workers would be small. Combine that with an effective eVerify system and elimination of benefits for guest workers, and people would deport themselves.

In theory, that should work. The question is how do you enforce it. Presently, almost every GOP candidate wants to increase the number of guest workers. They want more not less. And they say nothing about reducing legal immigration, except for Trump and Santorum.

[kenmcg]

Anybody that broke the laws of this country to get here, should be deported forthwith!

[kabar]

You want to give people who are here an incentive to register and start living within the law. So allow legal guest workers and eliminate illegal employment.

The "incentive" is amnesty. Why should we reward lawbreakers and allow them to stay and work here? Changing their status to solve the problem is pure sophistry. Do we really need another 12 to 30 million new legal guest workers?

Will these new guest workers be required to join the SS and Medicare programs, both of which are running in the red now and will go bankrupt? What kind of benefits will be offered to their US born children, who are automatically US citizens thru birthright citizenship? Will they be entitled to Obamacare subsidies? If not, this will make them more attractive to employers.

You want to give people the incentive to work, instead of being on the dole. So make work legal and eliminate welfare for guest workers.

They are working and they are on the dole, Legal and illegal immigrants use the welfare system to a much greater degrees than the native born. Over half of the illegals lack even a high school degree. They will cost more in benefits than they contribute in taxes. Do you consider EITC to be welfare? Medicaid? Most illegals get their benefits thru their US born children including Medicaid and food stamps.

What do you do with the "guest workers" who are unemployed or don't comply with your rules?

You want to give people the incentive to leave. So limit the number of jobs and put an expiration date on their guest worker card.

That is the law now. Guest workers have temporary work visas that can be renewed just once for three more years. Their companies can sponsor them for permanent residency, which leads to citizenship.

So how do you make sure they leave. 40% of all the lawbreakers came here legally and overstayed their visas.

[Pollster1]

The criteria would be:
(1) They don’t come here illegally.
(2) If they come here illegally, they go home before they get caught, and apply for legal entry just like everyone else.
(3) If they get caught, they are permanently barred from any path to citizenship or even legal reentry, plus any assets are seized to cover the cost of deportation (including court costs).

Restore the rule of law; end of discussion.

[R_Kangel]

..... So .... Mr. Carson wants America to take the illogical step of being the only country .... that issues visas .... AFTER your arrival into the country?

[SgtHooper]

Yes, allow them to register, but tighten the window to one month to instill urgency and panic. We then have addresses to follow-up with arrests and deportations of all who registered.

[rrrod]

This could be workable but Americans are so tired of being stabbed in the back they probably wont buy it.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Hopefully Carson will just keep talking himself right out of the race.

[bgill]

No. Take off those rose colored glasses and stop humming kumbaya. Make them come over the legal way or stay the heck in their own country. They already have been given 6 months, 6 years, 16 years and they haven’t registered.

[sarge83]

Once you give them legal status the jig is up.

[UCANSEE2]

So.... to sum it all up, he had no answer.