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To: daniel1212
If all are as the rich man in the literal story of him and Lazarus in Lk, 16, it reveals that those in Hell are conscious, humbled, not contentious, and earnestly desiring both relief as well as the welfare of those on earth.

"Lazarus and the Rich man" is not a literal story. It's a parable. The Lazarus of that parable was not a real person living it up in Paradise, nor was the rich man a real person suffering the torments of Hell fire.

71 posted on 09/20/2015 6:11:23 AM PDT by planter
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To: planter
"Lazarus and the Rich man" is not a literal story. It's a parable. The Lazarus of that parable was not a real person living it up in Paradise, nor was the rich man a real person suffering the torments of Hell fire.

Wrong! The Lord did not always teach in parables, contrary to assertions of some, and in His 46 parables in no place did the Lord name real persons, as He does here with Abraham and Lazarus, while mercifully excluding the name of the 3rd individual.

In addition, parables used known physical realities (pearl, etc,) as corresponding to spiritual realities (the kingdom of God, etc.). But if the Lord was speaking in a parable about a man who died and was in torments, then for the first and only time He would be using science fiction, for according to annihilationists there is no postmortem ongoing conscious torment.

Annihilationists try to force this account as speaking of Lazarus representing the Gentiles, and the rich man as being the Jews, but besides Luke rarely mentioning Jews, l (not simply the Pharisees) like John does, being in torments commencing at death hardly represents annihilation or anything the Jews realize apart from Christ.

In addition, Abraham's Bosom was not Heaven, but Scripture speaks of Christ setting free the elect who died before Him so to be with Him in paradise, the third heaven, after His death, thus OT saints appearing to many, since the blood of animals could not take away sin, and the way into the holy of holies in Heaven.

Meanwhile, Scripture speaks of Hell delivering up the dead which were in them for the final judgment.

83 posted on 09/20/2015 10:27:24 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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