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Ben Carson: I wouldn’t vote for a Christian who wanted a theocracy either
Hotair ^ | 09/22/2015 | AllahPundit

Posted on 09/22/2015 12:36:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Bullish

Dr. Carson has said as much.


21 posted on 09/22/2015 1:16:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: SeekAndFind

FWIW, the Pope wouldn’t want the US to be a theocracy either! God gave man free will and the pope would hope everyone fell in love with Jesus Christ but would never want anyone to go against his formed conscience and would want all to feel a part of the government of by for the people!


22 posted on 09/22/2015 1:21:49 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: cynwoody

He could have put it in much simpler terms for the simpletons in the media. That’s really the gist of what I’m trying to say here.


23 posted on 09/22/2015 1:22:04 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: DesertRhino

All law is built on someone’s moral code. The US Constitution only works as a Christian document. Drop the Christian underpinnings and the Constitution falls apart.


24 posted on 09/22/2015 1:25:29 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: Bullish

All he had to say was he was against electing Obama for a reason.

And wink at the camera.


25 posted on 09/22/2015 1:27:49 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s what needs to happen: someone with the resources and time to do so needs to go digging up all the comments by people saying that an Evangelical, Born-Again Christian shouldn’t be President.

Then beat the Libs over their heads with it.

I remember a LOT of such comments when GW Bush was running.


26 posted on 09/22/2015 1:30:22 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: JediJones

Lol... Good one


27 posted on 09/22/2015 1:30:51 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: Bullish

Unless when your hypothetical candidate was using taquiya regarding his acceptance of the Constitution. It may have happened already.


28 posted on 09/22/2015 1:32:18 PM PDT by amihow
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To: freedomfiter2

Not really. The Constitution is indeed a stand alone document. It does not need any specific, or any religion at all to be function.

It simply puts the rights of the individual at the core, and says that government exists for the people, not the other way around. A Christian can make fine use of it, but the constitution does not require it, and does not fall apart if a non Christian handles it. That’s silly.


29 posted on 09/22/2015 1:37:01 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: DesertRhino

The US Constitution is not a moral system. It is, however based on the rights given to us by God.

“Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. “

John Adams

The mistake modern secularists make is obvious. They take a twentieth century concept like “secularism” and read it back into the Constitution. They take a concept that didn’t even exist in the eighteenth century and attribute it to the framers of the Constitution. Unfortunately, this is a very common mistake. The fact that the word “God” does not appear in the Constitution means little. It is actually a rather shallow observation. The reality is “God” is in every word of the Constitution, including the punctuation. Below the surface of the words in the Constitution, there are a mountain of ideas that made its formation possible. The belief that God exists and that all nations of the world are subject to Him sits on the summit of that mountain. As the Supreme Court of Florida said in 1950: “Different species of democracy have existed for more than 2,000 years, but democracy as we know it has never existed among the unchurched. A people unschooled about the sovereignty of God, the ten commandments and the ethics of Jesus, could never have evolved the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. There is not one solitary fundamental principle of our democratic policy that did not stem directly from the basic moral concepts as embodied in the Decalog and the ethics of Jesus . . . No one knew this better than the Founding Fathers.” Note 3.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1298911/posts


30 posted on 09/22/2015 1:42:49 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No one is advocating a theocracy except the godless left who want a mandated atheist government and world.


31 posted on 09/22/2015 1:45:05 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

..and some Muslims.


32 posted on 09/22/2015 1:45:34 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: DesertRhino

Really? Our founding fathers intended for freedom of religion to be second fiddle to sodomy? The Constitution doesn’t stand alone. The whole system of law is always built on a moral system. Either a Christian one or something else.


33 posted on 09/22/2015 1:58:30 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: freedomfiter2

??

The Constitution is a LEGAL document. Nothing about God in the Constitution. Its presumptions, however, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence, are ALL about God.

What falls apart is good faith application of the Constitution when those in charge of applying the Constitution (or ignoring the Constitution) are non-Christians or atheists.


34 posted on 09/22/2015 2:00:50 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: amihow

I knew I would get the “taquiya” angle here and you’re right it is a factor. That’s why we need an educated, savvy electorate to sort out the candidates and their backgrounds. Sadly, we don’t seem to have smart educated voters at all, quite the opposite exists.

The Republic’s democratic voting process is quite an ugly mess but it’s all we have to work with. We cannot make idiots vote the way we want them to like the democrats do. We have to try to work within the process we have.

Pray America wakes up in time.


35 posted on 09/22/2015 2:06:16 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
No one is advocating a theocracy...

I might be, but let us first define what we mean by the word theocracy. I mean what the word literally means that God rules. Jesus said " all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me" so the state is beholden to him. What is more is Paul declares in Romans 13 that the civil magistrate is God's minister so no matter what denomination they are under God.

What it is often meant to mean is that a particular church or denomination is in control of the civil magistrate, much like the Roman Catholic church controlled Spain in the late middle ages. Sectarian control is a violation if spheres of authority that were instituted by God. God instituted three separate forms of social government, the family, the state and the church. They intersect in some small areas, but not all areas. The three are distinct in their jurisdiction membership and rules.

Liberals use the canard of a theocracy to attempt to secularize the power of the state and to violate jurisdictional boundaries. They also advocate a theocracy, they just want to be god. In that way the theological presuppositions of candidate are foundation to how they will govern. So while a denominational test is inappropriate, a religious test (beliefs not membership)is appropriate, simply because it defines one's ethics (which is the main duty of government), metaphysics, epistemology and teleology.

36 posted on 09/22/2015 2:10:37 PM PDT by DaveyB (Live free or die!)
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To: Stepan12
Ted Cruz criticized Dr Carson over the Muslims remarks because Ted Cruz said he was a constitutionalists. Ted Cruz shouldn’t have said much about the Constitution because neither Obama nor himself are eligible for the presidency as both are not natural born citizens (neither am I btw).

No.

Cruz didn't criticize Carson.

Cruz is eligible.

37 posted on 09/22/2015 2:12:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Jim 0216

That’s my point. Every legal system is based on a moral system. If you choose a non christian moral system you get a non christian legal system. Every legal system is a reflection of society’s theology.


38 posted on 09/22/2015 2:13:46 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: DaveyB

I am talking about human civil government. Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Acknowledging that is not yet enforced. One day every knee shall bow. Until then we obey Him by proclaiming His death and resurrection until He comes. Some will heed the call to submit to His authority. Some will not. None of that is to be enforced through civil government by His own authority. We should love God’s law and make our choices based on them. The Judeo-Christian ethic is an important foundation to civil government. But because even the church is highly subject to corruption and governments are led by corruptible men, we have a brilliant system of government which encourages religion and morality in general but does not choose between theologies. Each individual is accountable to God, not men. Our rights are from God, not men. Getting that concept right is essential.


39 posted on 09/22/2015 2:22:54 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Bullish
...a muslim could still be a rejector of sharia and a complete believer of America and our Constitution.

True, but would he still be considered a good Muslim by other Muslims? I think not. And going that far, he/she might as well renounce Islam entirely.

40 posted on 09/22/2015 2:40:17 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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