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To: Chgogal; grania
I will attempt to answer you, Chgogal, without using any insults.

Point one: George W. Bush appears to me to be a decent person. He'd make good next door neighbor. But I will not let any admiration for him as a person blind me to his disastrous foreign policy mistakes. To ignore those mistakes is to allow them to be repeated.

Point two: The Iraq war was not won by the end of 2008. Iraq was only at relative peace because US troops kept the lid on everything. That is not a won war. It is a fair argument to criticize Obama for drawing down there. With those troops in place, Iraq could have ended up like a stable South Korea. But I very much doubt that. You are, of course, free to disagree.

Point three: Consider the scorn President Ford received for not supporting South Vietnam. Ford, in essence, let South Vietnam fall. He would not commit any more American blood or treasure. So who botched Vietnam? Was it Ford, or was it LBJ? Obama is in Ford's role here.

I'm always interested in Freeper opinions. But insults serve no value. So if you want to trade insults, I think I'll pass.

45 posted on 09/27/2015 7:20:29 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
The Dems undermined Iraq from almost the start. Dem presidential candidates for 2004 called for "regime change in Washington, DC." Told our enemies to "hold on." Said invasion of Iraq was wrong.

With those signals, suddenly all of the troublemakers in Iraq, to Libya, to North Korea started making noise again.

Not a good comparison with Vietnam. Obama didn't just inherit a poorly run situation. Obama had his own agenda: "Arab Spring"

48 posted on 09/27/2015 7:34:05 PM PDT by sockhead
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To: Leaning Right
Iraq was only at relative peace because US troops kept the lid on everything.

You mean like keeping the peace between the two Koreas in the DMZ ? We are still there after what 60 years.

Iraq is not Viet Nam. I will not go there. But if you insist, pulling out of Viet Nam was a win for China and Russia. Now Russia and China are in Syria.

64 posted on 09/27/2015 8:25:35 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Leaning Right; Lopeover; grania

God Bless your restraint, LR, I wish I could write as well and dispassionately as you, but I tend to go Lopeover on people who use caps to attack a good post. That was an excellent response, and so clear.


88 posted on 09/27/2015 10:19:41 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speedi don't like!s up the CPU*ou)
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