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Donald Trump on healthcare: if you like your plan, you can keep it
Hotair ^ | 09/28/2015 | Gabriel Malor

Posted on 09/28/2015 7:45:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: EternalVigilance
Take away the immigration plank (and I agree Trump deserves credit for bringing that front and center) and what remains of his platform is basically free Obamaphones for all, turned up to eleven, and with a thin candy coating of conservatism.

And how's he gonna do it? Simply by allowing his awesome Trumpishness to ooze all over the country.

Not buying what he's selling.

101 posted on 09/28/2015 10:52:24 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (Call me a "Free Traitor" if it amuses you. It will only strengthen my resolve.)
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To: nikos1121
You do it through the private system working with the hospitals...you get the gov’t out of it.

What percentage of your hospital bill, or your spouse's or child's, would you accept as an add-on to cover the costs of treating the poor and uninsured?

102 posted on 09/28/2015 10:55:51 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (Call me a "Free Traitor" if it amuses you. It will only strengthen my resolve.)
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To: SeekAndFind
the government’s gonna pay for it Just who in the heck does he think the government is?
103 posted on 09/28/2015 11:40:51 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 HillaryForPrison2016)
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To: DoodleDawg
You don't see the difference between an individual and an auto?

In the framework and concept of insurance, the differences are purely government-defined.

My car insurance is to protect others against damage caused by me driving the auto, it is NOT for maintenance of the auto. If I don't have an auto, I don't have to have auto insurance yet am still protected against those who do have autos.

Health insurance is to protect the self against heavy costs of ill health.

I am born, you think it is perfectly "American" that I am now required by the government to have health insurance. If I want to opt out of having health insurance, I have to kill myself.

If I want to opt out of having car insurance, all I have to do is find alternative transportation modes.

If you habitually consume soft drinks, if you use man-made sugar substitutes, if you eat stupid (aka according to the government-approved food pyramid), if you sit on your butt all day and rarely or never exercise, if you abuse alcohol or drugs, if you go on fad diets and yo-yo in weight, then you are neglecting preventative care.

That's okay with me -- that's your right -- until you expect ME to, by force, heavily subsidize the costs of "insuring" you against the consequences of failing in your duty of preventative care, or the bad consequences of taking the advice of "experts" who are wrong.

And that is EXACTLY what you expect me and every other American to do. Therefore, it becomes MY right and the government's obligation to insist that soft drinks be made illegal, that fad diets and man-made sugar substitutes be outlawed, that regular workouts be mandated (why don't you join ME, DoodleDawg, in swimming several miles per week?), etc.

You want to force your health values on me? Through The Donald?

Then be prepared to relinquish your freedom because MY values are as valid as yours and I will force them on you, starting out with eating ONLY foods non-man-made enough that they existed before electricity could create bastardized man-made crap such as shortening and margarine, and exercising such that you have a sustained elevated heart rate for at least 20 minutes at least three days a week. Fair enough?

On the other hand, if you wake up one morning with Type 1 Diabetes (a real possibility -- it hits all kinds of people at all ages, young and old, that fast), if you are injured in an accident or victim of a crime, if you find yourself with a seriously debilitating disease that you contracted by chance or have a genetic predisposition for contracting, then you should have the right to purchase insurance that protects you exactly the same as you now have the right to purchase insurance that protects your automobile as well as anyone who might be injured by your automobile.

If you fail to maintain your car, that's your right, too -- why is it that you don't expect ME and all Americans to subsidize the costs of insuring you against the consequences?

I see .. .because it's an auto instead of a person, it's different morally. And we all know how moral government is.

104 posted on 09/28/2015 11:49:33 AM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a mathematical fallacy.)
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To: Finny
😆 Only the next future President of the United States of America, Mr. Don Trump!
105 posted on 09/28/2015 12:02:10 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: Finny

Doesn’t have anything to do with it.

Fact is that most people have no concept of health insurance or its’ cost. The fact that Trump is a CEO of a private institution makes him more qualified on the ins and outs of health insurance than virtually every member of Congress and every Elected or appointed official in government is indisputable.

What you have done is deflect from the issue.

Of course removing people from having their health insurance as an employer benefit is beneficial. That being said, at this point it is not


106 posted on 09/28/2015 12:03:49 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Lopeover
Yes. You worship media-created celebrity billionaires. If not for The Apprentice and "You're fired!" you'd never had heard of Trump.

And you're just itching to vote for him. Talk about LIV.

107 posted on 09/28/2015 12:07:56 PM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a mathematical fallacy.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Excuse me? The fact that government indirectly forced employers like Trump (before Trump's time) to provide health insurance in lieu of competitive wages and setting the stage for the expectation of employers having anything at all to do with health insurance and then to Hillarycare (which failed to be enacted) and then to Romneycare (which was enacted and has failed) to Obamacare -- "Doesn't have anything to do with it" ??

Just, wow. Talk about deflect from the issue.

Trump is on the WRONG side of this, and you are urging me and other conservatives to vote FOR a newer improved version of Obamacare.

That is the bottom line. OWN WHAT YOU ADVOCATE, please.

108 posted on 09/28/2015 12:12:51 PM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a mathematical fallacy.)
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To: Finny

Yes I am just itching to vote for Mr. Trump! All he has to do for me his first term is build the huge wall along the southern border of the US and end illegal foreigners from entering this country forever and deporting criminals and illegals that are sponging off our system.


109 posted on 09/28/2015 12:14:56 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: SeekAndFind

I...... am going to take care of everybody.

I...... don’t care if it costs me votes or not.

Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.


110 posted on 09/28/2015 12:18:28 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Lopeover
You'd vote for Santa Claus if he ran, too. And you'd get about the same results as you'll get from Trump, I am sad to say. I would LIKE to believe in Trump the way that you do, and I daresay ten years ago I'd have been right there with you. But I am older and more experienced now.

You continue to indulge in Santa Claus and Easter Bunny fantasies on a superhero media celebrity who is a sincere American patriot but who has a long history of supporting Democrats and leftists.

Very, very sad that you vote.

111 posted on 09/28/2015 12:26:32 PM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a mathematical fallacy.)
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To: Finny

Listen Finn, you and I, we have all been voting for politicians who have disregarded the issues that are important to us. I am following my gut this time. I won’t hold my nose and vote for a Rino. If you are for Cruz, he is my second choice. Not my first.


112 posted on 09/28/2015 12:35:13 PM PDT by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: Finny

I am not urging anyone to vote for Trump. I simply stated a fact and you blew up. Trump has more knowledge about health insurance than anyone in the race because he has done it and dealt with it over and over.

Outside of the health insurance industry, CEO’s and company owners know more about health insurance and its’ problems than anyone else.

Most businesses would love anyone but them to provide coverage. Trump is urging Obamacare’s repeal and a replacement with more competition. Primarily buying in other states. Any fortune 500 CEO would be fine with single payer ans they are relieved of the burden. At this point Trump is not advocating for it, though he has in the past.

I am for Cruz, though he is no saint in some issuers either.


113 posted on 09/28/2015 1:04:41 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: DoodleDawg

Hospitals do a pretty good job with prevention and early detection. I’m in little LaGrange, GA and the entire town came out Saturday for Pink Day.


114 posted on 09/28/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by nikos1121 ("There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." Thoreau)
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To: nikos1121
Hospitals do a pretty good job with prevention and early detection.

It's not free. To say that people don't need health insurance because hospital emergency rooms are always there means that someone else is likely paying for it. Either through higher charges to insurance companies, and higher premiums for policy holders, or through tax dollars. You don't think there's a cheaper solution?

115 posted on 09/28/2015 3:38:09 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

The worst solution is the emergency room....

There are people at both end, children and the elderly that should have medical care. In between are people that have handicaps, beyond that we have to look at changing the over all health of our nation.

I work in a wound care facility. Probably 60% or more have adult onset diabetes and marked obesity, self inflected diseases. If any have a non healing wound below the knee the prognosis of being alive in five years is less than 50%. In that time frame hundreds of thousands of dollars is paid for the care, while the diabetes is improved.


116 posted on 09/29/2015 12:26:06 AM PDT by nikos1121 ("There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." Thoreau)
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