Ted Cruz says Donald Trump won't be Republican nominee

washington times ^ | 10/8/2015 | Seth McLaughlin

[mountainfolk]

Ronald Reagan's very liberal children, Jr. and Patti Davis, are a case in point. More recent presidential children are not particularly conservative either. I believe that Trump has gotten the success he has by knowing when to use tough love as called for. Consider your children's views but make common sense judgments from your long length of experience in the real world. Whether they come around or not is on them and should not become a concern for other Americans.

[DoughtyOne]

You have steadfastly refused to heed the scriptures,...

This is untrue.  You stated those scriptures said something they didn't even come close to saying.  Untruth 01.

...but have engaged in redefining terms in an almost Orwellian manner.

Yes, it was very Orwellian to provide a dictionary definition specifically addressing fear as respect in my post.  Untruth 02.

Your argumentation is:

1)God is love
2)Fear is antithetical to love
therefore God does not want us to fear Him.

Wow, this is the first thing I can rember you actually getting right.  Good job.

I have however never stated that we should not respect God.

I have countered that scripture commands us to fear God with overwhelming exegetical proofs.

LOL.  You countered with scriptures, one of which wasn't even germane.  The others all came in under the classification of fear equalling respect.  This is a well known concept in Christian circles.  Now you dismiss it so you can stick to your "fear God" campaign.  No sale.  I've gotten to the point I almost want to tell you to "get thee behind me"  Untruth 03.

You have responded that fear does to mean fear so that you do not have to retreat from your conclusion. Your source is your own thinking. This is a most egregious form of eisegesis. It is rooted in no authority or foundation and so is a simply a bare assertion.

The problem for you is that the example here in the online doctionary provides a religious reference to fear.  I would urge you and anyone intrested to look at example 4 at the link.

My source was an English language dictionary.  I referenced a religious connotation for fear.  In the verses you provided, I noted that the dictionary definition fit perfectly.

I responded by addressing the actual meaning of fear in a biblical religious context.  I did not make something up to avoid your premise.  Untruth 04.

My source was not my own thinking.  It was the dictionary and the word fear in a religious context.  Untruth 05.

Here is a syllogism that you refuse to accept.

1) The Bible says both God is love and tells us to fear God.
2) God is not the author of confusion nor of contradiction. Conclusion: Love and fear are not antithetical but are in harmony.

You are lost in space.  Even after me revealing the true meaning of fear of God in a Biblical sense, you still can't grasp it.  Untruth 06  Untruth 07

Once again, here is the definition of fear in religious Biblical terms.  See item four.

Yes, we are to respect God.  Who knew?

No, God is not the author of confusion or contradiction.  Sadly, you can't grasp the true meaning of fear here, so you became the agent of confusion and contradiction.  Untruth 08 (trying to lay off the blame for your confusion and contradicton to God)

Fear as in fright, is not congruous with Love.  Respect is.  And that is why I have tried to explain to you what the word fear actually meant here.  It meant respect.

It's not my definition.  I didn't make it up.  The Religious context is "respect" not to be frightened of.

An even harder one:

1) All men have volition
2) God works in those that He chose before the foundations of the world to will and to do in order that they choose to follow Him.

Therefore: Sovereign election and free will coexist in the human condition and neither negates the other.

Here you are peddling the same thing that was shot down earlier.  So professing this again after being shot down, this is simply another untruth. Untruth 09

This is a hard doctrine that the natural man finds repugnant, but then the things of God are only spiritually discerned.

The things of God have to be simple enough to be comtemplated by simple men.  Otherwise simple men would not be required to abide by God's word.  Untruth 10.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You have once again carefully chosen a chapter and verse to promote your idiocy.  I'll address his more in detail  First, it is necessary to allow folks easy access to the full chapter.  Here is 1st Coninthians 2.

Okay, once again you are so far off the beaten track is almost pointless to try to relate to your rant.

In the context of this chapter, there are spiritual and natural men.  The natural man is described as someone who is not gifted with the spirit and cannot understand those gifrs, and the spiritual man is described as being gifted and understanding those gifts.

I am not opposed to the idea that we need teachers.  There are some higher concepts that we need leaders to explain.  Once we understand those concepts, we can explain them to others.  So in some ways this very is quite understandable.

I don't believe that to be the full story and here is why.

I have addressed this line of reasoning from the start of our conversation here.  You were stating that not everyone had the Holy Spirit within him.  I have stated that every human must have the Holy Spirit to recognize good from bad and make crucial decisions.

Let's review for a moment.  We'll get very simple here, because you have to this point not been able to grasp what even a child between the ages of 3 to 5 can.

1. All good eminates from God
2. All evil eminates from Satan
3. Nothing good can come from Satan
4. Nothing evil can come from God
5. To recognize good, one must have a connection to God
6. To recognize evil, one must have a connection to Satan

Whether you wish to comtemplate this or not, or wether you decide to go the chaos route again as you have repeatedly, every man does have the Holy Spirit within him.  Here is why.

1. Man cannot recognize good unless God is within him
2. Man cannot make decisions as a basis for salvation without being able to tell good from evil
3. Man cannot be damned to hell unless he has the ability to know good from evil, and still make the inproper choice

You can continue to act ignorant with regard to these simple truths, or you can accept the concept of Salvation throuh faith.

I don't much care, but I will not let you mislead others on these concepts.

Man cannot know good from evil without God inside him.  The Holy Spirit is that agent.  This is not indicative of speaking in tongues or having some supernatural ability. It is indicative of a base standard that each man/woman will have.

Satan tempts every man to turn him evil.  The Holy Spirit pleads wtih every man to choose good.

God will NEVER allow us to be separated from the Holy Spirit until death.  We will still chose what we want to do in deference to God's plan for us, but we will have had it laid out for us along the way that what we are doing is evil.

If a child hits their sibling, they instinctively know it is wrong.  They may still do it, but they know it is not right.

You know when you are doing the right thing or the wrong thing.  Who tells you that?  There is a battle going on within you just like there's one going on inside all of us.  That is the Holy Spirit and Satan's spirit working on us.

There has to be a convicting agent within you for God to judge you.  God knows the beginning from the end, but it has to be your well-informed personal choice that causes God to condemn you in the final judgment..

How would one know if they have spiritual wisdom to discern the things of God? Maybe they could use a test from the Bible.

LOL.  If you are using verses to prove a valid point, it will be the first time.in our exchange of posts.  Here we go...

Before we go any farther, I have to touch on the religious definition of fear one more time.

People must keep this definition in mind.  Please see example four, the one pertaining to a religious context

Here it is:

FEAR

 4. reverential awe, especially toward God:
--- the fear of God.
--- Synonyms: awe, respect, reverence, veneration.

Where this definition fits, it should be the recognized meaning of fear

Job 28:28
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom...
And unto man He said, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord: that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
Respect for the Lord, that is wisdom.

Psalm 111:10
The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.
Respect for Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Respect for Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom.

Proverbs 15:33
The fear of Jehovah is the instruction of wisdom; And before honor goeth humility.
Respect for Jehovah is the instruction of wisdom.

Isaiah 11:2
And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
...and the respect of Jehovah.

Isaiah 33:6
Wisdom and knowledge will be the stability of your times, And the strength of salvation; The fear of the LORD is His treasure.
The respect of the Lord is His treasure.

2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Knowing therefore the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest unto God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.
Knowing therefore the respect of the Lord,...

Ezekiel 32
For I have caused My terror in the land of the living; And he shall be placed in the midst of the uncircumcised With those slain by the sword, Pharaoh and all his multitude," Says the Lord GOD.
Here the word Terror is used.  It would be harder to explain away if it were referencing what man's demeanor toward God should be.. Here it is referencing kings whose actions had merited God's wrath.
This is one of a number of instances where you have used false naratives to make a point.  Terror here is real.  It is not meeted out to common man, as a call to respect God would be.
I linked the chapter so people could read for themselves.

So once again, you list a lot of verses you are convinced mean that God demands us to be frightened of him.  Once again you swing and miss repeatedly.

You hae yet to provide one verse that an adult can read, understand, and agree with to buttress your points.  None of these mean frightened.  Each of them means respect.

Counting each of these, there would be a number of more untruths.  You are claiming something that isn't true, over and over.

So the fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Without it one has not begun to become wise. The cruel irony is that you reject the first step of wisdom in order to deny it.
So respect for the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

I'm not sure who you think set you up with higher understanding of regligious matters, but I would urge you to get your money back on the basis of religious malpractice.

I am not the person coming here to claim that God selected men from the beginning who would be saved so He didn't bother to give the ones who wouldn't be saved the gift of the Holy Spirit so they could make their own choices.
I am not the person who claimed God wants us to be frightened of Him.
I am not the person who continually tries to buttress that idea based on a false gasp of what fear of God really is.
I am not the person using really strange passages to claim they mean something a clarvoyant couldn't decipher.
I am not the person who claimed that the Holy Spirit was not present in man before the cross.
I am not the person who by process of elimination stated that Christ did not have access to the Holy Spirit since his total life was spent before the cross.

Now because I don't buy off on your false tenets, I am supposedly unwise.

Maybe that is what Paul meant when he wrote...

Romans 1:22
Professing to be wise, they became fools

Look at your professions...

Tell me who is advancing thoughts that are not Biblical, are counter to the concepts of salvation, and deny that Jesus Christ could have had access to the Holy Spirit.

If that verse doesn't apply to you, it has no meaning in the English language.