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Ben Carson's Holocaust theory prompts outcry from Jewish groups
MSNBC ^ | Oct. 9, 2015 | Benjy Sarlin

Posted on 10/10/2015 2:42:51 PM PDT by VitacoreVision

Jewish groups and Holocaust scholars say Ben Carson’s claims that Nazi gun control laws contributed to the Holocaust are offensive and inaccurate, but Carson is not backing down. .

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which was founded to combat anti-Semitism and other forms of prejudice, derided Carson’s theory – which he first raised in his new book “A Perfect Union” – as “historically inaccurate.” .

But the ADL wasn’t the only major organization to weigh in: The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum also took issue with Carson’s decision to inject his claims into America’s gun debate.

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1 posted on 10/10/2015 2:42:51 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

The left has taught me guns are more evil than the holocaust.


2 posted on 10/10/2015 2:45:08 PM PDT by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: VitacoreVision

Uhmmmm....

Never Again???


3 posted on 10/10/2015 2:46:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: VitacoreVision

MSNBC puts words in the mouths of others for their
antiSemitic cause. The article does not say
what MSNBC purports.


4 posted on 10/10/2015 2:48:52 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: VitacoreVision

Why do so many US Jews appear to actively WANT suicide..?

Obama DESPISES Israel and Jews everywhere, yet 70% of US Jews are head over heels IN LOVE with Obama.

I don’t get it.


5 posted on 10/10/2015 2:49:27 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: VitacoreVision

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

is run by the US State dept.


6 posted on 10/10/2015 2:51:19 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: VitacoreVision

You don’t need to be a neurosurgeon to know he is right.


7 posted on 10/10/2015 2:53:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: VitacoreVision

You know what REALLY bugs the ADL..?

That a visibly non-Jew rendered judgement on a topic that is somehow exclusively “the property of” Jews.

They’re not really rendering a judgement over whether guns would have helped Jews, or not.

They just want to make ANY topic that has ANYTHING to do with Jews out-of-bounds for a black guy, or more generally, for a non-Jew or for a Conservative.

They want people so terrified that when a subject like this comes up, people or maybe entities like the FBI have to come to the ADL and PAY them to render THEIR HOLY JUDGEMENT.


8 posted on 10/10/2015 2:53:23 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: VitacoreVision

The only ones outraged are leftist Jews who think that the Holocaust was A OK..Hitler said “In order to control a nation one must disarm its citizens” if Jews during the Holocaust had guns, there would have been NO Holocaust


9 posted on 10/10/2015 2:57:45 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: VitacoreVision

The JPFO, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership have analyzed why “Jews Hate Guns”:

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm


10 posted on 10/10/2015 2:59:33 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: VitacoreVision

Carson is RIGHT!

Ask any of the gun-grabbers why Hitler did NOT invade Switzerland. Gee! All that gold! And a chance to end that “haven” for the Trapp family and other refugees from Nazism! So tempting!

Why didn’t Hitler invade?

Because EVERY ADULT SWISS MALE was well-armed and well-trained.

From Roman times, it has been obvious: “If you want peace, prepare for war!”


11 posted on 10/10/2015 3:00:14 PM PDT by pfony1 (Let's welcome some Democrat congressmen into the Republican party and OVERRIDE!)
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To: gaijin

“If every Jewish and anti-Nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle

and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT,

Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic.”

In the 20th Century: Governments murdered four times as many civilians

as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.

Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd04/codrea-kapos-for-kristallnacht.htm

If you don’t understand words...perhaps a picture is worth MORE THAN A THOUSAND...words.
http://grossmanproject.net/images/Einsatzgruppen2.jpg

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”

— Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Interesting article on what humans do to other humans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

when one group has power (guns) and the other groups do not have power (guns).

Power is used by evil people to take what is not theirs to take.

4 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+4&version=KJV

Dr. Ben Carson is right on some points...

but very wrong on One Point:

Dr. Ben Carson To Beck: You Have No Right To Semi-Automatic Weapons in Large Cities
http://tapwires.com/2015/09/13/ben-carson-to-beck-you-have-no-right-to-semi-automatic-weapons-in-large-cities
...he says because there is a lot of crime...! So ANYWHERE there is a LOT of Crime YOU do not HAVE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Keep and Bear ARMS!
So if the goobermunt says there is a lot of crime in Amerika...you do not have a 2nd Amendment right to “bear arms” Rigkt?
WRONG Dr. Carson.
The following photograph explains what Dr. Ben Carson should have answered:

http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Knabenschiessen2-660x595.jpg

The woman above and any of her children...will not be at a disadvantage

IF she owns the semi-auto rifle she is training to use.

And one more quote, If I may...

Luke 22:36He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”


12 posted on 10/10/2015 3:00:50 PM PDT by DavidLSpud ("Go and sin no more"-Rejoice always, pray continually...)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Snopes: No proof Hitler said it.

Origins: This purported quote from Adolf Hitler about the disarming of citizens being essential to “conquering a nation” is frequently cited in discussions about gun control in the United States, but as far as we know no one has ever turned up a source documenting that Hitler literally said this (or something very similar).

Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/disarm.asp


Sarah Barracuda: The only ones outraged are leftist Jews who think that the Holocaust was A OK..Hitler said “In order to control a nation one must disarm its citizens” if Jews during the Holocaust had guns, there would have been NO Holocaust


13 posted on 10/10/2015 3:01:29 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

As a Jew born and raised in the US and living in Israel, I could not agree more with Dr. Carson on this point. He is correct and the liberal/left-wing Jewish groups are wrong.


14 posted on 10/10/2015 3:02:09 PM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Diogenesis

You don’t need to have an Einstein mind to realize that if the Jews were armed, Hitler would not be able to exterminate 6 million Jews without any resistance from them.

Those Jewish groups attacking Dr. Carlson for stating a truism are the same that put Obama in power, their leftist leanings put their loyalty to the KKK Democratic party over their loyalty to United States and Israel. They keep supporting anti-Semite FDR legacy that denied refugee in U.S. the few Jews that were able scape Nazi occupied Europe.

They also keep smearing the memory of Pope Pius XII even when he and the Catholic Church are responsible saving the lives of over 900,000 Jews, a fact recognized by the founders of Israel.


15 posted on 10/10/2015 3:03:24 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: VitacoreVision

Steve Israel is doing what all leftists do when they cannot refute a political statement by a non-leftist.

He changes the premise of the statement by inferring that guns in the hand of the German Jews in the 1930’s could have prevented the Holocaust. However, that is NOT what Dr. Ben Carson stated. Carson said that tyranny such as Nazi Germany and the Holocaust might have been prevented entirely had not that government confiscated the means of opposition, that is, the ability to defend themselves by owning their own guns.

Leftists still insist on claiming that all Germans were anti-Semitic, but that is simply not true. Israel is correct to state that the Holocaust was an abomination caused by anti-Semitism, but Carson’s position is that in the face of such evil, [like anti-Semitism], the confiscation of guns from all the people rendered them helpless - both the Jews and those who were good Christians or other people of humanitarian sentiments.


16 posted on 10/10/2015 3:03:49 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: VitacoreVision

So the position of these liberal Jews is that having the means to defend oneself would’ve made no difference. Perhaps they should run that one by the descendants of those who fought for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto.

In their twisted minds, submissively walking to their deaths in the ovens was preferable.


17 posted on 10/10/2015 3:04:37 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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To: pfony1

Not only did Switzerland have a well-trained civilian militia, there’s also the huge problem of invading a mountainous country. By 1940, the Swiss built a very extensive system of fortifications that took full advantage of the mountainous terrain of the country and any land invasion would have resulted in massive casualties on the German side because the Swiss defender held the “high ground” in too many parts of the country.


18 posted on 10/10/2015 3:04:40 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: VitacoreVision

March of 1938: only German gov’t officials could own guns.

Kristallnacht, Nov. 9th, 1938.

Once the meeting of Nov. 12th occurred, Jews started getting sent to Dachau.


19 posted on 10/10/2015 3:05:49 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: VitacoreVision

Anyone familiar with the unbelievably bravery and tenacity of the Jewsish resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943 knows that Ben Carson is 100% correct.

Just Google “Warsaw Ghetto” or search for the term on Amazon.

There have probably been hundreds of books written about the uprising.

It is one of the most inspirational events of the modern age.

It provides good insight for those who think that a vastly overpowered and outnumbered minority cannot make a difference.

“The Bravest Battle: The Twenty-eight Days Of The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising”

http://www.amazon.com/The-Bravest-Battle-Twenty-eight-Uprising/dp/0306805332


20 posted on 10/10/2015 3:06:13 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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