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Revoke the Second Amendment (barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 12 oct 2015 | Barry Blackwell

Posted on 10/12/2015 5:24:45 AM PDT by rellimpank

History, common sense and reliable data should be the three-legged stool on which legislation concerning gun ownership might be based. Instead, the debate is shaped by once-imagined and now real fear (tyranny), specious reasoning (sophistry), rigid belief systems (ideology) and politics corrupted by money (bribery).

It is a problem unique to America, impervious to change, despite recurring episodes of mass murder and deaths due to guns killing more children or adults in accidents, suicide, murder and domestic violence since 1968 than the total of lives lost in all of America's wars.

The Second Amendment of the Constitution, included in our Bill of Rights (1791) was enacted in the wake of the War of Independence from Britain fought against a mentally deranged monarch and a Parliament that extorted taxes without representation. In the shadow of such tyranny and the absence of a standing army, the amendment granted citizens the right to bear arms as part of a "well-regulated militia", should that become necessary. The sound logic underlying that edict eroded when the United States developed the largest and best equipped standing army on the globe, supported by a voluntary, well-trained and occasionally mobilized reserve.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
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To: rellimpank

Let’s just go ahead and revoke the First.

Then we can force all the antis to STFU!


41 posted on 10/12/2015 6:30:19 AM PDT by sevlex
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To: Reno89519
Should we ban certain weapons? Maybe (Does someone need a functional RPG or gattling gun?

I my view, no arms should be banned under the 2nd Amendment, not RPGs, not even tanks, because it says, "...the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Period. However, the government is under no obligation to sell you an RPG or a tank, but, as written, you are free to make one if you like.

The part of the sentence about a "well regulated militia" is just an explanatory clause, an attempt to explain why it was/is needed, but has no bearing on the heart of the sentence: "shall not be infringed".

And liberals are free to try to change or remove the amendment through Constitutional means. Notice that liberals never mention changing the Constitution; they want the courts to make up a meaning that is not written in it.

42 posted on 10/12/2015 6:34:07 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: rellimpank
This last definition is unique to the United States but is silent about whether it includes a citizen's right to bear arms in anticipation or only after mobilization.

That definition is in the Dictionary but is not exclusive. The National government is not based on Webster's Third International Dictionary. The 2nd Amendment does not depend on someone's definition of "militia." "The right of the PEOPLE shall not be infringed. The first part could be "Literacy, being necessary to the security of a free State," and the effect of the 2nd Amendment would be the same. Possession of arms would not be limited to literate persons. The first clause simply states the reason for the second and states it as a universal. Future generations cannot nullify it by saying that the "necessity" no longer pertains and thus the right no longer applies. The necessity is stated as existing period. A different understanding of the "changed times" or a "different milieu" requires another Amendment to change the right and still be Constitutional. The only possible effect of those first few words of the Amendment could be to change the RKBA from a God-given right to a man deliberated right.

43 posted on 10/12/2015 6:34:53 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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To: rellimpank

Would someone post the old fake picture of Obama shooting the shotgun at Camp Davis.


44 posted on 10/12/2015 6:38:01 AM PDT by satan (The tree of liberty is dying in the drought.)
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To: rellimpank


45 posted on 10/12/2015 6:42:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: satan
Would someone post the old fake picture of Obama shooting the shotgun at Camp Davis.


46 posted on 10/12/2015 6:50:17 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Reno89519
(Does someone need a functional RPG or gattling gun?

YES!

47 posted on 10/12/2015 6:52:51 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: rellimpank

Fine, revoke it and ban guns. I’ll still keep mine and I’ll start a black market business. I’m in charge, not you.


48 posted on 10/12/2015 6:53:52 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Cruz in 2016 - No Trump. No Jeb.)
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To: rellimpank

“History, common sense and reliable data should be the three-legged stool on which legislation concerning gun ownership might be based. Instead, the debate is shaped by once-imagined and now real fear (tyranny), specious reasoning (sophistry), rigid belief systems (ideology) and politics corrupted by money (bribery).”

Not a bad first paragraph. Not perfect, but not bad.

Unfortunately the author drifts off into specious reasoning and ideology.


49 posted on 10/12/2015 6:58:22 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: rellimpank
A King George supporter no doubt.

The colonists needed weapons to protect themselves against wild animals. Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

50 posted on 10/12/2015 7:13:47 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: rellimpank
fought against a mentally deranged monarch and a Parliament that extorted taxes...

Yep, sounds like what we have now. This guy sounds pro 2nd to me

51 posted on 10/12/2015 7:23:11 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: rellimpank

Sure, go ahead and try it.
Perhaps libs will get on board with a convention of states.

See how that works out...


52 posted on 10/12/2015 7:30:10 AM PDT by BlueNgold (May I suggest a very nice 1788 Article V with your supper...)
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To: envisio
These A-10s they wish to retire. Are they historic? The 3% ought to look into outfitting these vintage airframes with some historical Hellfire missles. You know, for educational purposes.
53 posted on 10/12/2015 7:43:47 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: demshateGod

Not quibbling, but please point out where the President derives the authority to cancel a Constitutional Amendment.

Now...as Commander in Chief he can proclaim a national emergency, and ride roughshod over Constitutional guarantees, as Lincoln did when he suspended habeas corpus. But that is subject to Congressional approval after ninety days. It would be a huge, huge leap for Obama to take.

Also, there is a special inviolability to the first ten Amendments which enshrine already extant human rights into the Bill of Rights.

And there is no House or Senate rule that requires more than a two thirds majority to override the President’s intent. Obama is a would-be dictator, but his powers are not as absolute as he would like them to be.

Now, if you are suggesting that the real threat to our freedoms is corruption among Republicans in Congress, then that’s a real issue. Most of them are IMO more interested in keeping their cushy jobs than representing their constituents, and that describes both parties.

In other words, “we have met the enemy, and he is us”.


54 posted on 10/12/2015 7:49:30 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: rellimpank

The professor doesn’t want to defend himself, he is free not elect to exercise his constitutional right.

That said, he has no standing to deprive the rest of us of our fundamental RKBA along with the defense of our lives and property.

We’ll surrender our guns to him and his fascist ilk only with our cold, dead hands. He is on notice that - give us liberty or death remains a rallying cry of American patriots.

From those who gave their lives to make the greatest country on earth a reality.


55 posted on 10/12/2015 8:00:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank
Barfme Blackwell wrote:

The Second Amendment of the Constitution, included in our Bill of Rights (1791) was enacted in the wake of the War of Independence from Britain fought against a mentally deranged monarch and a Parliament that extorted taxes without representation. In the shadow of such tyranny and the absence of a standing army, the amendment granted citizens the right to bear arms as part of a "well-regulated militia", should that become necessary. The sound logic underlying that edict eroded when the United States developed the largest and best equipped standing army on the globe, supported by a voluntary, well-trained and occasionally mobilized reserve.

Donald Trump wrote:

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

So, did you get that, Barry Blackwell?

The Constitution doesn't create the Natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

As described in the Declaration of Independence, we as free men and women are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, including the Natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Blackwell is a Declaration denier, apparently.

56 posted on 10/12/2015 9:02:55 AM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: rellimpank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYL0yN110go


57 posted on 10/12/2015 9:24:09 AM PDT by bikerman (2015 new motto--- slugs for thugs.)
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To: kiryandil
Blackwell is a Declaration denier, apparently.

He is also, without any form of mitigation, a first class dunce...

the infowarrior

58 posted on 10/12/2015 11:01:55 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: rellimpank
The Second Amendment of the Constitution, included in our Bill of Rights (1791) was enacted in the wake of the War of Independence from Britain fought against a mentally deranged monarch and a Parliament that extorted taxes without representation.

And exactly how much has that changed? Deranged monarch...check. Parliament extorts taxes...check. Without representation...half check; they represent their own interests rather than ours as often as not.

59 posted on 10/13/2015 9:09:26 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: rjsimmon

The well regulated militia phrase only acknowledges the need for and desirability of a citizen militia. It does NOT limit bearing arms to members of that group. The second amendment does not even exclude freed felons or the insane. Even they have the right to self-defense.


60 posted on 10/13/2015 9:14:22 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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