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The real scandal is the ridiculous EPA and California emissions regulations that have put Volkswagen in this position in the first place.
1 posted on 10/19/2015 3:37:57 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Having been subject as a contractor to various federal requirements regarding first article compliance with electrical emissions, shock and vibration analysis, destructive testing, etc..... I can assure everyone that Volkswagen is not the only auto maker engaged in such methods of achieving passing results. They may be the only ones chosen to pursue for the tactic at this time.


2 posted on 10/19/2015 3:46:13 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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I suspect Big Brother will have the smog check test stations check for the software patch, no patch, no pass. Not all States have checks and those that do ususally aren’t required until cars are 5 years old. A reprieve for some owners.


3 posted on 10/19/2015 3:49:33 AM PDT by DAC21 (.z)
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To: Timber Rattler

What relevance is anything from the tabloid times?


4 posted on 10/19/2015 3:51:12 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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What’s the true story about NOx emissions?

I don’t believe any “health” information from the EPA, and I don’t follow air pollution information (unless I can see it, in which case it’s probably bad).


5 posted on 10/19/2015 3:52:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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No return to the dealer for these cars is bad for Volkswagen’s business health, very bad.
The feral ussa gov is tracking down capitalism and shooting it like a dog in the back. Meanwhile the rest of the world burns whatever and laughs.


6 posted on 10/19/2015 4:03:33 AM PDT by Recompennation
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That’s because the software that allowed Volkswagen to fool federal emissions tests also lowered the car’s performance and fuel economy while the device was turned on.

Using less fossil fuel to do the same amount of work never matters to militant greenies. Some of the winter gas blends mandated here will knock our daily drivers down 5 or more MPG.

Nonetheless, I'm sure (said well drawn out and as sarcastically as possible) that the reduced levels of emissions make up for such waste… just like I'm sure that ethanol production hasn't impacted the environment where corn is king.

Mr. niteowl77

8 posted on 10/19/2015 4:15:37 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("I wish I had better news for you, but the truth is that this thing is not worth fixing anymore.")
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Couldn’t agree more. Outrageous government over-reach.


9 posted on 10/19/2015 4:16:00 AM PDT by AdaGray
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Of course I won’t take mine in for ‘fix.’ Nor will I ever buy another TDI unless they can come up with a way to keep it at its current level of performance.


10 posted on 10/19/2015 4:16:59 AM PDT by AdaGray
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I have a TDI and purchased discount annual service from the dealership for the next 2 years. Now I am watching and evaluating this recall and the inclination to ask for refund of this service contract. There are independent garages that can do this and if the TDI Diesel cars become unattractive in mileage in future editions, the inclination to trade up will be gone for me (a reason for dealer servicing).

So who are the real losers of this VW ‘tech fix’? Probably the dealerships!


11 posted on 10/19/2015 4:17:34 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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Congrats to the German engineers who were able to make a technical end run around the hideous beast know as the EPA for as long as they did

Prost!!!


12 posted on 10/19/2015 4:22:40 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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You VILL fix ze Karrh, und you WILL enchoy it!


13 posted on 10/19/2015 4:30:21 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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W to owners: bring in your car so we can de-tune it so we can jump through the FedGov’s silly hoops.

Intelligent owners: Thanks, but no thanks.


14 posted on 10/19/2015 4:36:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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How many people would load the V workaround in their non-Volkswagons if the could? Someone should take a poll. :)


16 posted on 10/19/2015 4:44:54 AM PDT by MulberryDraw
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Did anyone look at the diagram of the exhaust? Six seperate sensors and two converters ....I better run out and check the exhaust on my 1971 International Harvester 1210 pickup truck...the moronic rules set up by the EPA has led to such elaborate complex and costly systems that you use more fossil fuel for the plastics and wiring in the manufacture of vehicles in order to use less fossil fuel while at the same time creating a tin box with multiple air bags to protect you instead of a full frame and thick metal....the fact that my truck (daily driver) that runs fantastic is greener than anything made simply by being made so well that it can run for a lifetime of driving if you simply maintain it. K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid...think of what I said the next time you look at the Christmas tree display on your dash when a sensor somewhere goes bad...


18 posted on 10/19/2015 4:49:40 AM PDT by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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Don't you realize that the EPA (via one of their subservient NGOs), has come up with an estimate of how many people VW's cheat will kill? If VW had played by the rules (which are, by the way, considerably stricter than those in Europe), those people would have lived forever.

Do you want them to die, especially the children?

I wonder if they also have an estimate of how many people their river spill in Colorado will kill?

The big winners in this, as always, are the lawyers who will enrich themselves on class action suits and the politicians at the EPA who will use this to enhance their funding levels so they can hire more $120K/year porn surfers and hallway poopers.

EPA delenda est.

19 posted on 10/19/2015 5:04:16 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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So let me get this straight.....the enviro wackos want VW’s to turn on this little device and GET LESS FUEL ECONOMY?????? And this is good for the environment HOW?????


20 posted on 10/19/2015 5:08:17 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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Easy. Sell it in Kansas.


21 posted on 10/19/2015 5:28:19 AM PDT by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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you are correct

lost in all the clap trap hoopla is the fact the design worked and worked well


23 posted on 10/19/2015 5:30:27 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump)
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Could states that require inspections for registration renewal force owners to take the software modifications?


24 posted on 10/19/2015 5:54:46 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag necessary?)
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The E.P.A. cannot force owners to repair their vehicles

The cars are not "broken". They just emit a wee bit more (in absolute terms!) NOx. Not good, but not a big deal either, other than pi$$ing off the EPA that has egg all over its face.

26 posted on 10/19/2015 6:36:23 AM PDT by Moltke
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