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Are High Phone Bills Cruel and Unusual Punishment? The FCC Thinks so, and Plans to Mandate...
Daily Signal ^ | 10/21/15 | James Gattuso

Posted on 10/21/2015 4:32:08 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: davius

Great post (43). It’s amazing the ignorance of prison threats in the other posts.


81 posted on 10/22/2015 11:55:10 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:21)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Maine and Vermont are the only states that allow inmates to vote.


82 posted on 10/22/2015 12:01:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BykrBayb
It costs money to provide phone calls to prisoners. Phone calls are not necessities, like food and shelter. Phone calls are a luxury. They are not naturally occurring. Someone must work to provide them.

As the article makes clear, however,the amount of money being collected is far higher than the expenses of operating the system, and is being used for general prison funding.

83 posted on 10/22/2015 12:05:48 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Yes, it costs more than providing phone service to the homes of law abiding citizens who pay their own bills. Providing phone service to prisoners requires added security measures. That costs money. Phone calls and prison security are not naturally occurring phenomena. They don’t simply exist for free, like rainbows. Somebody has to work to provide them, and somebody has to pay for them. I’m not understanding the push to prevent the convicted criminals from paying for the luxuries they demand. They’re convicted criminals. We don’t owe them. They owe us.


84 posted on 10/22/2015 2:21:22 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Did you actually read the article?
"A big share of the revenue – as much as 96 percent — then goes back to the prisons, through fees due from these firms. In part, this money helps to offset the security costs to wardens of providing phone calls to inmates, ranging from call monitoring to providing escorts for repairmen. Much, however, is typically used to fund general prison operations and programs."
So clearly all of the costs inherent in a prison phone system, including the added security required, is being covered and there's still a large amount of money left over that is being diverted by the prisons into other uses, essentially boosting the prison budget on the backs of the prisoners.
85 posted on 10/22/2015 2:30:13 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Look up offset in the dictionary. It doesn’t mean all. Part of the money is used to pay part of the added costs of the phone calls. Part of the money pays part of other prison related costs. In other words, the monies are mingled.

The article doesn’t state whether the money charged for phone calls is greater than, equal to, or less than the costs. In all likelihood, it’s about equal.

All of the money goes toward running the prison, which just happens to house the prisoners. So I’m still not feeling any pity for the criminals, and I still don’t think the taxpayers and/or paying telephone customers should have to subsidize phone calls and/or other luxuries for criminals.


86 posted on 10/22/2015 3:33:24 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Hey, maybe we can start charging families for the food their loved ones get in prison!


87 posted on 10/22/2015 3:50:45 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Because they would die without phone calls? Obviously I’m not following your leap of logic.


88 posted on 10/23/2015 2:52:38 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: mass55th
When I was a new hack, an old timer told me that the definition of rehabilitation is to restore something to the way it was. In a convict's case, he was scum to begin with.

I NEVER felt that way, I was in the juvenile system and could tell who was and wasn't going to make it on the outside. I had kids who were honor students at private schools and kids who had no concept of education at all. Fortunately, for them, The state of Indiana had these malcontents in a schoolroom every week day, and the truancy level was 0. Amazingly, once these tough guys HAD to go to school, they were amazingly capable and did quite well. The state then mandated that they get their GED degrees, actually had a graduation ceremony, and 99% of the kids loved it.....We had many come back, who had been released, to participate in the graduation even though the state would have mailed them their certificates....VERY rewarding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

89 posted on 10/23/2015 6:49:52 PM PDT by terycarl (n)
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To: terycarl
"I NEVER felt that way..."

Maybe if I'd worked with juveniles, I would have felt differently, but the ones we had in the prison system, had already been to juvie, and had previous criminal charges, probation, jail and prison time. School and occupational programs were an option, but many took that route because it looked good on their record when it came time for parole hearings. It's called playing the system. Go along to get along.

90 posted on 10/23/2015 7:48:39 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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