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Have Conservatives Betrayed Ted Cruz?
The Blaze ^ | Oct. 22, 2015 | Justin Haskins

Posted on 10/22/2015 12:02:04 PM PDT by Isara

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To: GulliverSwift

Damn straight he is! Standing on the floor of the Senate and telling the Leader he was a liar to his face is textbook meek.

Freaking beta male behavior if I ever saw it.


61 posted on 10/22/2015 1:26:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Embrace "Existential Cage Theory")
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To: FourPeas
Prepare for all the flimsy excuses which would, rightly, be loudly criticized if a GOP elected official tried to use them.

Yep. They angrily smack their guns together in outrage over the GOPe betrayal of conservatives and turn right around and demand that we betray those very same principles to vote for their guy. These are people utterly lacking in any kind of moral courage.

You can tell that Cruz scares them the most because when they see a thread about him and attack it with the same rabid vigor as would be met if you erected a cross on the lawn of a Pakistani madrassah.
62 posted on 10/22/2015 1:27:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Isara
I call these Trump supporters Kardashian Conservatives. Trump is a celebrity as the Kardashians are. With this massive support of Trump, our side can no longer accuse the other side of being stupid and shallow for supporting Obama since our side is no better.

Go back to watching "Keeping up with the Kardashians" everyone.

63 posted on 10/22/2015 1:27:46 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Our present appeasementof Islam is the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

If someone gave you a mansion with a spot on the kitchen floor, you’d complain about the spot. Assuming your accusation is even worth answering, which given your agenda it probably isn’t.

All you know how to do is accuse, accuse, accuse. A Trump who knows how to manage would be far more friendlier to “the family” than a Cruz who does not.


64 posted on 10/22/2015 1:28:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cripplecreek

Go ahead and cram a deeply conservative colored round peg into a square hole if you must. But don’t complain about the consequences, like what leaks around the peg.


65 posted on 10/22/2015 1:30:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GulliverSwift
"Yes, and this is something Cruz could have been dealing with. Carly Fiorina knows when to speak up and say her peace. Cruz just sits there like a nice little boy waiting for the teacher to call on him.

He has no fire and energy when the pressure is really on. Almost any politician can give an impassioned speech to a fired up crowd. It takes moxy to shove your way into things the way that FioRINO does. Cruz is just too sleepy to be bothered with it."

This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen here. Only someone completely unfamiliar with Cruz and his career to date could say such a thing.

I see you like Fiorina, though. Not surprising.

66 posted on 10/22/2015 1:31:35 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: cripplecreek

CANCERvatives have a record of chest beating and then voting for the guy thats not the most conservative.

They kill from within. If they wanted a conservative they would vote for one. It’s that simple.


67 posted on 10/22/2015 1:31:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Embrace "Existential Cage Theory")
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To: VanDeKoik

Then politely ask him to stop sitting on the sidelines and start reeving people up.


Worth repeating...I like Cruz...but cruising at 6 or 7 % ain’t gonna cut it.


68 posted on 10/22/2015 1:32:01 PM PDT by chasio649 (The GOPe can never seem to remember who brought them to the dance)
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To: Norm Lenhart

One mouse told another mouse off? That makes the first one a cat?


69 posted on 10/22/2015 1:32:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Go polish your halo with some baby parts HiTek.


70 posted on 10/22/2015 1:32:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Embrace "Existential Cage Theory")
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To: Norm Lenhart

Ah, a world of interchangeable bots is more typical of a liberal worldview than of a conservative one.


71 posted on 10/22/2015 1:33:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Explain the basis behind this accusation (I bet you won’t)


72 posted on 10/22/2015 1:33:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; cripplecreek

Threads like these are quite revealing and instructive.


73 posted on 10/22/2015 1:34:27 PM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: sockmonkey
I agree w/ what you said. The H1-B Visas and TPP did not seem conservative to me,

I think he's wrong on the H1B issue, but I can tell you why the TPP vote was a conservative vote.

Treaties are hard to get approved under our form of government. That's good, because it was designed to be that way from the beginning. The problem with negotiating a trade treaty, or any other kind of treaty for that matter is that you can't submit the text to congress if they congress can then amend the terms of the treaty as a part of the ratification process. Any change that congress might make would mean the treaty has to be resubmitted in this amended form to the other signatories for this to be ratified. There is just no way to do that without the entire process becoming completely unraveled. So instead of doing that, what happens is the President gets negotiating authority which basically sets the ground rules for the ratification of the treaty. Generally this means that it will be submitted to the congress for a flat up/down vote without amendments. That's what the TPP vote was about. This is something that every president has had for the last hundred years.

It is the exact same kind of authority that a President Cruz would want as well, and I think that he believed it would be wrong to vote against that authority even with the current occupant, and then ask for the same kind of authority if he were to be come President. It's a case of not wanting to be justifiably  called hypocritical on the issue.

WHat I disagree with regarding the TPP deal was that over the past many years congress has accepted the legal fiction that these negotiated treaties are "agreements" instead of what they are, which means that because it is not a "treaty" it doesn't require a 2/3rd supermajority in order to be ratified. To me, this is just flat wrong, but it seems that this level of honesty is just simply non-existant in today's feral government at any level.

What Cruz should have done, is supported the ratification ground rules of getting a straight up/down vote without amendment, but opposed the fiction of it being called an "agreement" instead of the treaty that it is, and thus requiring the 2/3rd threshold for ratification.

 

74 posted on 10/22/2015 1:35:07 PM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: TADSLOS

They are mind numbing thought limiting non sequitur filled pat-self-on-back exercises for “some”


75 posted on 10/22/2015 1:35:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You mentioned halos and polishing them. You based your godliness on voting for a guy that profits from the abortion industry.

Do the math.


76 posted on 10/22/2015 1:35:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Embrace "Existential Cage Theory")
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To: Isara

Tagline


77 posted on 10/22/2015 1:36:00 PM PDT by subterfuge (TED CRUZ FOR POTUS! TED CRUZ FOR POTUS!)
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To: TADSLOS

Oh I think they revealed everything about themselves some time ago.


78 posted on 10/22/2015 1:37:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Embrace "Existential Cage Theory")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
They are mind numbing thought limiting non sequitur filled pat-self-on-back exercises for “some”

You should seek professional help, then.

79 posted on 10/22/2015 1:38:58 PM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: Norm Lenhart; HiTech RedNeck

If I recall correctly, his response to the selling of baby parts was “bemusement”.


80 posted on 10/22/2015 1:39:55 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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