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HUGE PROBLEMS WITH TAIWANESE AH-64E FLEET
AIRheads FLY ^ | 2015/10/28

Posted on 10/29/2015 10:34:26 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

The Republic of China Army Aviation (RoCAA; Taiwan) has extreme difficulties keeping its 29 new AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopters airborne. Part of the problem is a discovered material failure due to faulty production by Boeing.

The American manufacturer of the legendary attack helicopter is using a new aluminum-magnesium alloy for the tail rotor gearbox and this material seems to be the reason of corrosion in salty and humid climates such as in Taiwan. Nine AH-64Es are grounded because of this issue, while Boeing technicians are trying to find a solution but for now just advising ill-tested short-term measures. Another 12 helicopters stay on the tarmac since there are insufficient spare parts to keep them airborne, sources inside the Taiwanese military confirmed. This leaves only eight choppers operational in a country under constant threat by mainland China.

The Ministry of National Defense yesterday said that corrosion woes with AH-64E Apache helicopters have led to the aircraft’s grounding, and Boeing, the US manufacturer, has dispatched a special task force to help identity and fix the problem.

The Apache Guardian is so far a very unsuccessful story in Japan. On 25 April 2014 one RoCAA AH-64E crashed into a house reducing the number of aircraft immediately to 29 shortly after purchase. Taiwanese Apaches were grounded for a while as well after a problem with the main transmission was discovered on US Army versions.

When the RoCAA can really make use of all its AH-64Es is still unknown.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; ah64e; rocaf; taiwan

1 posted on 10/29/2015 10:34:26 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

No tranny, no flight.. Surprised this just now was revealed..

Reminds me of the moldy old days


2 posted on 10/29/2015 10:36:58 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder if this is deliberate? If there are ‘delays’ getting them fixed, we will know for certain.


3 posted on 10/29/2015 10:40:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The American manufacturer of the legendary attack helicopter is using a new aluminum-magnesium alloy for the tail rotor gearbox and this material seems to be the reason of corrosion in salty and humid climates such as in Taiwan.

Used to be that materials were tested to the point of redundancy before being used in civilian, let alone military, aviation.

4 posted on 10/29/2015 10:43:39 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Little Ray

What’s our relationship ... our agreement ... with Taiwan ?


5 posted on 10/29/2015 10:45:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Given the current leadership, our official relationship with Taiwan doesn’t matter. The Obama Regime would sell them out in a second.


6 posted on 10/29/2015 10:48:30 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: NormsRevenge; SJackson; Nachum; SunkenCiv

Shoddy Chinese parts?

Wait until China “blockades” the US with a single phone call to their own people: “Stop our trucks. Stop our trains. Stop our cranes. Stop our tugs. Shut our ports down.”

What do we do? Attack China to force China to open up its trade with us?


7 posted on 10/29/2015 11:00:45 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Shouldn't be too difficult to find TR gear boxes with older-style housings. Change out a GB and have it back in the air next day.
Come on - chop, chop....
8 posted on 10/29/2015 11:03:06 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Oh the irony. When “Made in the USA” is a sign of poor quality...to the Japanese.


9 posted on 10/29/2015 11:08:44 AM PDT by pfflier
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Oh the irony. When “Made in the USA” is a sign of poor quality...to the Japanese Taiwanese.


10 posted on 10/29/2015 11:58:41 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s difficult to imagine a modern alloy gear box casing corroding to the point of failure. You’d think the crew chief could be tasked with applying some sort of corrosion protection with each daily inspection.


11 posted on 10/29/2015 12:08:16 PM PDT by redfreedom (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Under normal conitions the alum/mag would be fine but the salty environment is no good with magnesium. Salt loves mag, and when mag parts get into sea water it can be gone very quickly, days sometimes.


12 posted on 10/29/2015 1:02:24 PM PDT by biff
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To: biff

There are several ways to correct this. Most expeditiously a good coating of Glyptal Red paint. Another alternative would be a new non mag alloy with a nice hard anodizing.

The best thing would be to fire the dumbass who let magnesium get around salt water for use as anything but a sacrificial anode.


13 posted on 10/29/2015 1:32:21 PM PDT by noprogs (Do you really think elections matter?)
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To: noprogs

I agree totally. I don’t remember us using the Apache in sea operations, just the sand and dirt. I remember the media saying our stuff would not function properly in the desert sands and heat of the middle east. Surprise,worked fine.

I remember talking to an American Airlines captain that flew Apaches in GWI and he said it was a turkey shoot on Saddams tanks. Of course he said they could have done the same thing against any tanks, including ours.


14 posted on 10/29/2015 1:42:00 PM PDT by biff
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To: Yo-Yo
Oh the irony. When "Made in the USA" is a sign of poor quality...to the Japanese.

First sentence 4th paragraph of the story:

The Apache Guardian is so far a very unsuccessful story in Japan. On 25 April 2014

15 posted on 10/29/2015 2:31:37 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Then the typo is in the original story. Taiwan is not Japan.


16 posted on 10/29/2015 4:10:20 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: redfreedom
"...difficult to imagine a modern alloy gear box casing corroding to the point of failure."

You're right - probably poor aircraft maintenance practices.
Nobody does aircraft maintenance like the west (US, Brits, Germans, etc)

17 posted on 10/30/2015 6:31:10 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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