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To: af_vet_1981

>>Bravo for your courage and honesty.

There is no courage involved. I have nothing to hide. I don’t try to shame people into not asking tough questions about my beliefs.

I mean, really? “Would you ask Jesus that question??” LOL

>>Can you imagine the kind of man who would ask the Messiah that question ? Can you see how inappropriate it is on several levels ?

Why would I ask Jesus that question?? He isn’t married and living with a woman who menstruates. But, I bet that he followed that law to the letter when he was living in a home with his mother.

But I would ask him why the Jews denied him when he spent his entire ministry trying to reach them. I would ask him why they continue to deny him even after the loss of their Temple, the Ark, the High Priest, and the subsequent ability to fulfill the Law.

I might ask him, but only after I asked a lot more pressing questions.

So, how do you deal with all the times that “shall” appears in those verses?


78 posted on 11/17/2015 4:21:18 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
Why would I ask Jesus that question?? He isn’t married and living with a woman who menstruates. But, I bet that he followed that law to the letter when he was living in a home with his mother.

Are you certain you have not just asked Him without realizing you did ?

But I would ask him why the Jews denied him when he spent his entire ministry trying to reach them. I would ask him why they continue to deny him even after the loss of their Temple, the Ark, the High Priest, and the subsequent ability to fulfill the Law.

Do you really care ?

The parable of the prodigal son comes to mind, and then you have the explanation of the Apostle to the Gentiles that it is through the temporary blindness in part of Israel that the Gentiles have access to the kingdom. The Jews are beloved, and you would not even have a Bible without the Jews. The one holy catholic apostolic church was founded on Jews.

Even when wandering in the world the Jew is a sign of God. Consider Leonard Cohen who wrote

Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah

Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah

Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you to a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
You say I took the name in vain
I don't even know the name
But if I did, well really, what's it to you?
There's a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn't matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah

I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though it all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah

I might ask him, but only after I asked a lot more pressing questions. So, how do you deal with all the times that “shall” appears in those verses?

At the same time, saith the Lord, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people. Thus saith the Lord, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest. The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.


Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.


And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. Moreover the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, saying, Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.


Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Jeremiah, Catholic chapter thirty one, Protestant verses one to three, and thirty five to thirty seven,
Jeremiah, Catholic chapter thirty three, Protestant verses nineteen to twenty six,
Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty four, Protestant verses thirty four to thirty six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James


79 posted on 11/17/2015 5:13:07 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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