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To: semaj

I’ve been thinking about this concept of how to actually deal with a hostile embedded enemy. There are no good, civil solutions to pacify this type of Islamic threat. I further think that they hope to push us to the point of barbarity. I swear they are goading us, in a satanic fashion, towards a biblical conclusion in the middle east. The antiChrist might be someone who leads the west in a storm of retribution against Islam itself.


32 posted on 11/17/2015 11:31:42 PM PST by catbertz
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To: catbertz

Maybe islam is the antichrist.


33 posted on 11/17/2015 11:37:19 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: catbertz

“I further think that they hope to push us to the point of barbarity.”
Barbarity against perpetrators of certain barbarity is no vice.

“I swear they are goading us, in a satanic fashion, towards a biblical conclusion in the middle east.”
The ultimate spread of the satanic influence will be to all parts of the globe, though not necessarily throughout 100% of every affected nation. Whatever that means for “The Lower 48” I think it unlikely that The US will be fully overrun, and I’m confident we will not be totally politically overthrown. There will be some remnant, here, standing when Revelation 19 becomes Reality.

“The antiChrist might be someone who leads the west in a storm of retribution against Islam itself.”
The antichrist will be a radical Islamist figure. He will not LEAD the west; he will provoke the West — through global, overt oppression penetrating even deep into this country — into a storm of retribution culminating in his Divine Assassination per Revelation 19. How we fare on these shores is not clear. It seems certain there will be domestic resistance out of — if nothing else — sheer desperation. How much resistance and how effective is not a known quantity, at this point. It will fall to each person to decide for himself to be part of that or to bow the knee to Evil.


38 posted on 11/17/2015 11:52:47 PM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: catbertz
I’ve been thinking about this concept of how to actually deal with a hostile embedded enemy. There are no good, civil solutions to pacify this type of Islamic threat. I further think that they hope to push us to the point of barbarity.

The immigrants (including the imams who preach jihad) were accepted on an assumption that they will join the society and become citizens just like everyone else is. That assumption was wrong. The least painful solution would be to undo the grant of citizenship... but many of the immigrants have no other citizenship at the moment, and cannot be sent anywhere. The EU has very few options left:

1) Do nothing. Suffer terrorism, whack a mole when you can, but the opponent's human resources exceed yours, and their population grows while yours shrinks. This will not work in the long term, and the nation will cease to exist as soon as the Muslim population gets numerous enough to control the country through the democratic mechanisms. (That's where another Pinochet might step in.)

2) Dedicate some part of your territory to the opponent. Let them have their own state there. Build a wall and guard that border. This is technically doable. Legally, it's borderline; Stalin exiled several nations for their behavior during the World War II. Today collective punishment is illegal, but this separation is not punishment - it's a grant of statehood. France will lose some territory, but then it will be rid of the unwanted people. Islam would be outlawed in France, probably.

3) Allow a civil war to start; let the population fight it out. The end result will be the (2) above, only with far more dead and with lasting hate between the groups. This development promises no advantage, especially if Islamists win the war.

4) Use methods that are universally recognized as unacceptable today, like genocide or forced deportations into faraway lands. Even if attempted, this is going to create a lot of backlash, unless done exactly by Machiavelli's recommendations. Technically, it's not very likely. Legally... it might work if, say, Islamists get a nuke and explode it in some important place. Then the whole world will donate a few more nukes to them, free air delivery.

These problems are not unique to France; they will be the burden of every country that has a significant number of radical Muslims.

44 posted on 11/18/2015 12:41:14 AM PST by Greysard
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To: catbertz

Ezekiel 38 & 39 describes fully what the Almighty is going
to do to the Jihadists who invade Israel. His fury is
going to come up in his face. - I believe He is getting
enough of this foolishness. - He won’t need any help from
the West or anyone else when his Devine Judgment falls.


55 posted on 11/18/2015 6:40:21 AM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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