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To: D-fendr
I’m really not into flame wars, so the whole attributing motives and ‘you’re lying’ bit is wasted on me. We disagree.

Of course it's wasted on you.  You're lying.

I think your interpretation of Trumps interview is tortured and dissembling of Trump’s statements and positions, though his thinking is so scattered it’s often time consuming to pin him down on just what his plans - if any coherent one exist.

Hundreds of thousands of people aren't having any problem understanding Trump.  I'm sorry to hear you have some sore of a problem which prevents you from doing it.

It is quite clear that Trump’s solution is very similar to Obamacare, and that he supports universal government-paid-for heathcare.

Obamacare is denoted by several key points.  One, it's devised to wind up with single payer eventually.  Is Trump's plan like that?  No.  Trump advocates lowering state restrictions so insurance companies can compete nation-wide.

Note that health care insurance companies have been withdrawing from Obamacare.  That will continue to happen until the governemnt is the sole provider.  That is universal health care.  Under Trump's plan you actually get more providers competing in individual markets.

Obamacare is forcing up rates for everyone.  Many businesses are dropping thier employee plans because they are too expensive.  Is Trump's plan lik that?  No.  HIs plan will bring rates down through private sector competition.

>>> “Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say..”

Yean, because it is universal healthcare with an individual mandate.

Universal Health Care is a government health care plan that covers everyone.  This is not a universal government program.  It is a return to the private sector.

Uninsured indigent individuals have been getting their bills paid for by the government since at least the late 70s or early 80s, perhaps considerably before that.

Any person that shows up at an E. R. requesting service cannot by law be turned away.  If they can't pay, the government does.

Sadly we have people addressing this issue on the forum that don't know up from down.

Trump is not arbitrarily going to implement health care coverage for those who can't pay for it.  That has been happening for decades.

What he is going to try to do is lower the cost of them getting that care, and improve on the types of services they get.


>>Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: —the government’s gonna pay for it.

By beating this point to death, you are merely telling everyone on the forum you don't know anything about how the indigents have been getting government funded health care for decades.

Government-paid-for universal healthcare. He claims it will be different and private and work because we’ll be so rich. Poorly thought out sloganeering.

Here's a question for you.  If he claims the government is going to pay for this, how is that a private plan?  It's not.  When he talked about  private insurance, he was referencing the people who could afford their own health care insurance premiums.

A universal health care plan, is one that comes from the government only.  You are trying to state that he envisions a plan like Canada and Scotland.  He is not proposing that type of plan, so this is not a universal health care plan.

No matter how many times you state he is implementing a universal health care plan, it's still a lie.


But when you get down to the basics of what he supports, it’s still Government-paid-for universal healthcare.


No, that is not true, and you really don't understand this issue at all.

The govrnment is not going to be providing insurance coverage to the majority of our citizens.  He is going to be trying to find a less expensive way to cover indigents.  That is all.

The coverage for indigents is nothing new.  It predated Obama by decades.

If you received Medicare funding at your hospital, you were required by law to provide certain services.  One of the requirements was that you could never refuse service to a person who presented themselves to your institution, if you operated an E. R.

This has all been explained to you.  You yourself provided a link that provided this information.  Here you are still lying about Trump's plan.

467 posted on 11/21/2015 10:45:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I support President Pre-elect Donald J. Trump. Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Leftist's worst nightmare.)
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To: DoughtyOne
You're lying.

Sorry, still not taking the flame bait. Just too old for it.

470 posted on 11/21/2015 10:47:28 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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