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Journalist who returned from Islamic State HQ tells RT how jihadists can be defeated
RT.com ^ | 11/21/2015 | RT staff

Posted on 11/23/2015 2:53:02 PM PST by Reagan is King

RT spoke to Jurgen Todenhofer, the first Western journalist who was allowed to enter territory controlled by the so-called Islamic State. A year ago, he spent 10 days among the terrorists, also visiting Raqqa, the capital of the self-proclaimed caliphate.

To arrange the journey, Todenhofer held Skype discussions with Islamic State (formerly ISIS/ISIL) for six months before they agreed to his visit.

Finally, the jihadists gave him official guarantee safety. It was in their interest to fulfill their promises that I would come back alive and I came back alive, he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: isis; journalist
To create real problems for ISIS, the West should do several things: stop the delivery of weapons, ammunition and money from the Gulf monarchies and close the Turkish border used to transit new fighters to ISIS, Todenhofer said, recalling how easy it was to cross the Syrian-Turkish border.

The problem is our muslim-sympathizer-in-chief really doesn't want to defeat them.

1 posted on 11/23/2015 2:53:02 PM PST by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King
Oops, forgot the excerpt link:

Link to article

2 posted on 11/23/2015 2:55:01 PM PST by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King

Jihadists can be defeated. It just requires someone who wants to defeat them. The world seems to have its hands and feet tied because of political correctness.


3 posted on 11/23/2015 2:55:48 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Reagan is King

Lame article. This is the guy who claims that American Special Forces and Marines are afraid of dying and simply cannot handle the moslems who welcome death.

That line alone was a head shaker.


4 posted on 11/23/2015 2:59:17 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Reagan is King

“The problem is our muslim-sympathizer-in-chief really doesn’t want to defeat them”

The Fraud is doing everything he can to defend and help them, and is much too busy to focus on things like America winning.


5 posted on 11/23/2015 3:01:03 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: DesertRhino
cannot handle the moslems who welcome death.

You mean those same SOF and Marines that virtually exterminated Alqeda in Iraq in 2005-2007? Too bad our current CIC did not let them finish the job. If we had finished this problem in 2009-11 when we are on the verge of victory in Iraq, Isis would never have existed.

6 posted on 11/23/2015 3:03:07 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: DesertRhino
This is the guy who claims that American Special Forces and Marines are afraid of dying and simply cannot handle the moslems who welcome death.

This is true.

What he left out is the reason they are afraid is because they aren't allowed to fire back.

7 posted on 11/23/2015 3:06:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MNJohnnie

You realize that Russia Today is lying propaganda from neo-Communists, right? That it writes whatever Putin wants it to write?


8 posted on 11/23/2015 3:06:50 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Reagan is King

How to defeat them is no secret. Why we dont is the mystery.


9 posted on 11/23/2015 3:08:45 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The Bush family needs to just go away. The Clinton family needs just to go to prison.)
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No. That’s PBS.

http://sputniknews.com/us/20151121/1030518092/pbs-newshour-russian-airstrikes-footage-us-lying.html


10 posted on 11/23/2015 3:26:26 PM PST by marvel5
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To: marvel5
Sputnik News is an organ of the Russian government as well.

Nice try.

11 posted on 11/23/2015 3:32:24 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

There isn’t any doubt about this story. It’s out there for the whole world to compare.


12 posted on 11/23/2015 3:37:25 PM PST by marvel5
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To: Reagan is King

Even if you kill all of your enemy you won’t win until all of the surviving supporters choose to stop fighting.

Like cancer, you can kill all of the tumors, but if even one cell escapes and hides, it will start another tumor some day, growing and spreading.

About 1% of all the 1.2 billion sunni muslims are salafists, the breeding ground of ISIL. That’s 12 million muslims that believe in violent jihad.

Other than the men’s beards they look and outwardly act like any other muslim. They are spread out in every sunni society.

They absolutely believe that violent jihad is the only true path.

They absolutely believe that dying brings more glory and benefits than living.

Marines and Special Operations forces are quite content to kill them all. It is up to the politicians to point them out.

All 12 million of them, men, women, and children.


13 posted on 11/23/2015 3:37:56 PM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State!)
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I forgot to add:

While we are exterminating the salafists, we will need to destroy all the supporting books, web sites, historical records and writings of the salafists.

Google Qutb. When google no longer offers any search hits, we will have won.


14 posted on 11/23/2015 3:51:43 PM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State!)
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“Even if you kill all of your enemy you won’t win until all of the surviving supporters choose to stop fighting.”

Sure you will. You simply have to hurt them bad enough to break their hearts and kill the will to fight. This was done to Germany and Japan to the point that they are utterly traumatized and pacifist 7 decades later.

And we didn’t kill nearly all of them, or their kids.


15 posted on 11/23/2015 3:57:37 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: DesertRhino

Thank you, exactly my point.

One can only win when all of your enemy permanently chooses to stop fighting. The losing side always chooses when victory over themselves is complete.

The victor has to win the peace also. Otherwise, the conqueror eventually dies of indigestion.


16 posted on 11/23/2015 4:10:28 PM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State!)
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“This is the guy who claims that American Special Forces and Marines are afraid of dying and simply cannot handle the moslems who welcome death.”

To paraphrase Patton, our Special Forces and Marines are more than willing and able to make some other poor bastard die for their country...they would be more than willing to help them fulfill their desire to die for their cause...

I read a good article a month or so back (wish I had bookmarked it)where a retired military officer outlined a plan where a force of Marines properly supported with logistics, air and artillery could defeat the major ISIS forces in 30 days. I don’t remember the size of the force, but it was smaller than a MEF and larger than a MEB...


17 posted on 11/23/2015 4:29:34 PM PST by IMTOFT (At least I'm enjoying the ride...)
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To: gandalftb
From the article:

““They are told that in Islamic State they will fight a historic fight, a final fight between good and evil,” he said. Those young people who were completely unimportant in their countries will be very important [here]. And for the first time in their life, somebody is telling them that they are important,” the journalist said.”

Let me preemptively say that there is no appeasement of evil, and I'm not advocating that. However, I think it is very important to underscore that despite the left’s accusation of ‘global warming’ fueling radicalization, it's actually more accurate to pin some of the responsibility on the celebrity-based society that the left have engendered.

We have replaced the search for meaning and spirituality with the search for ‘fame’ and ‘recognition’. There are plenty of dispossessed and lost people out there who feel like their lives don't matter. Some here will probably say that they are losers, and maybe they are to some extent, but then maybe we all are to some extent.

One of the things that has always impressed me about conservatism is that it seems to value all life, irrespective of whether or not 10,000 hits come up when you search your name on google. I think one important weapon we have against radicalization is the ability to convince people that they matter, even if they're not occupying an office in Washington DC, aren't on television every night, and aren't written about by the media. This obviously isn't likely to stop those who grew up being taught hatred in the Madrassa’s, but it just might have an effect on enough people to make meaningful change.

18 posted on 11/23/2015 4:45:58 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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Every society has members who feel inadequate in some way. ISIL offers young male sunnis weapons to obtain the power and recognition they crave.

I mention the size of the enemy to point out the absurdity of trying to kill them all.

I do value life but we must value killing the killers more. Otherwise we are nothing more than sheep to the slaughter.

Any messages the West has to offer marginalized sunnis would fall on deaf ears.

Islamic civilization is collapsing. The most talented arabs are leaving arab lands en masse and joining the West. That will be a bumpy merger but it is irreversible and the long term solution to radicalization.


19 posted on 11/24/2015 2:38:26 AM PST by gandalftb (Go OK State!)
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