New York Times: A Definitive Debunking of Donald Trump’s 9/11 Claims

New York Times ^ | 11/25/2015 | Jim Dwyer

[mdmathis6]

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’
plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

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[Darksheare]

dwyer@nytimes.com

Ahh.. the “reporter” has his email available..

[Marcella]

Yes, I know about the report of Muslims in New Jersey but that was a written or oral report, not a film and Trump said he “saw” them. Also, the written/oral report did not say there were “thousands” of them as Trump said.

Plus, that written/oral report of law enforcement said they were questioning “people” (didn’t say they were Muslim), said “allegedly” seen celebrating the attack so there was no eye witness to that - it was just reported, not seen.

Trump is not careful in his speech to make sure he has the actual facts and he exaggerates to make his point. As I said, that exaggeration is okay in his real estate dealings, but not for a president who we need to be able to trust he is giving us the truth and nothing but the truth without exaggeration making it false.

[mkjessup]

Three.
I remember it too.

And I'm sure we could find plenty more than three eyewitnesses even if we confined our search to members of FR who were watching live coverage of the 9/11 attacks that day, how many more must there be across our Nation?

The treasonous media can't shut us all up!

[dead]

I agree. There exists no footage of thousands (or even hundreds or dozens) Muslims celebrating 911 in the states. It didn't happen, so Trump did not see what he says he saw on his television.

Producing a first or second or third hand report that some Muslims somewhere may have been happy does not prove Trump correct.

Of course many Muslims were happy about 911, but they generally kept it amongst themselves in the US and certainly did not gather in the thousands to openly celebrate anywhere in this country.

Trump "misremembered" it. He should just admit that and move on.

[mkjessup]

Yes, I know about the report of Muslims in New Jersey but that was a written or oral report, not a film and Trump said he "saw" them. Also, the written/oral report did not say there were "thousands" of them as Trump said.

Maybe Trump was watching CNBC like my good FRiends StephenJohnBanker, Darksheare and I were?

Plus, that written/oral report of law enforcement said they were questioning "people" (didn't say they were Muslim), said "allegedly" seen celebrating the attack so there was no eye witness to that - it was just reported, not seen.

Guess you weren't tuned into CNBC.

Trump is not careful in his speech to make sure he has the actual facts and he exaggerates to make his point. As I said, that exaggeration is okay in his real estate dealings, but not for a president who we need to be able to trust he is giving us the truth and nothing but the truth without exaggeration making it false.

So which is it, are you sticking up for the Muzzie subversives among us, or are you just using this like a stick to attack Trump with?

Enlighten us about that, would you?

[mkjessup]

There exists no footage of thousands (or even hundreds or dozens) Muslims celebrating 911 in the states.

I saw it (as did SJB and Darksheare) on CNBC. Whether 'footage' still exists would depend on whether NBC and other media chose to retain the historical record, or purge it so as not to offend the likes of CAIR and other Muslim apologists.

[dead]

Millions of people were recording broadcasts on their VCRs that day. If it happened somebody would have it. I wish I did! I’d sell it to Trump for $10,000.

[stephenjohnbanker]

CNBC showed at least 4 groups of American Muzzies celebrating 9/11. It could have been more, but I can’t recall. I watched CNBC from about 4:30 AM PST, to 11:00 AM, then I switched back and forth between CNBC and Fox.

[mkjessup]

Only $10,000?!?

Dammit man! Now I'm going to have to lower MY bid!!

(I was offering MY VCR tape to Trump for $25,000!) ;)

[folkquest]

A modern day Winston Smith has long since dumped the media into the memory hole as instructed by the Ministry of Truth.

[billyboy15]

My brother in was on the scene in Liberty Park because was a cop at the ttime and On duty.

I am the one who heard it second hand.

The media claiming these celebrations NEVER happened. They are hedging by claiming Trump said 2500 were celebrating, as if the number really matters.

[Marcella]

"Trump 'misremembered' it. He should just admit that and move on."

Yes, he misremembers and exaggerates quite often. The account of seeing "thousands and thousands" in New Jersey is only one of his untruths/exaggerations. Another one was saying Carson "hit his mother over the head", and Carson didn't actually hit her, he was stopped by his brother from doing that. Trump takes a happening and changes it to his advantage and people believe him.

[Darksheare]

unfortunately, there are some who insist that everyone is lying.

[Darksheare]

You are missing it: The press is insisting that nobody celebrated.
Fact is: They did.

[mkjessup]

Looks like we have Muzzie sympathizers among us. Thanks for the links. I’ll be watching that one.

[mkjessup]

Your candidate sets a fine example of not trashing Trump and inferring that he is a liar, you ought to clean up your act and do the same.

[JediJones]

But if he had seen it on TV, that video would’ve been found and replayed by now. There’s no way in the modern age it would be lost. He probably saw the Middle East celebrations on TV and conflated it with the print report about NJ in his mind. I remember seeing the Palestinian celebrations on TV too. But I watched coverage non-stop for months and I would’ve both seen and remembered it if they had similar footage from the U.S.

[Darksheare]

Sure seems that way.

[dead]

The Donald insists he saw thousands of muslims celebrating in NJ on 911. He didn't. It didn't happen like that. There was no great gathering of celebrating Muslims in NJ on television that day.

I don't think Trump is lying, I think he's mixing up unsubstantiated rumors about Paterson with actual footage of Gaza and the West Bank. If you're sincere and remember the same thing trump remembers, I think you're just confused too.

Millions of people were running their VCRs that day. If such footage actually aired someone will share, and I will be proven wrong, but we both know that's not going to happen.