Iowa Q-Poll: Trump Still Out Front With 25%, Kasich at Low, Lonely 1% [Cruz 23% Carson 18%]

plunderbund.com ^ | November 27, 2015 | John Michael Spinelli

[highball]

“Absent an alien abduction Trump is the next GOP nominee and the only one with a chance to win the general election.”

Whoa, hang on there, hoss. It’s way too early to be playing the “inevitable” card. The process has barely begun, and people leading at this point usually lose by the convention.

As for the latter statement, that’s equally farcical. Cruz could certainly win if he got the nomination. He certainly has few of the Donald’s negatives, all of his strengths and a couple strengths of his own that Trump can’t equal.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Try to imagine Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio debating Hillary Clinton. She and her husband were stealing elections when those two were in diapers. It would be a snooze fest of lawyers parsing arguments. The TV audience would go to sleep and Hillary would slip and slide her way into the Whitehouse.

The only person who can steamroll Hillary Clinton in a general election is Donald J. Trump. He will call her a crook and an incompetent on a stage to her face and dust it up so the voters can see her for who she really is. No other candidate will do that. They will lose.

[highball]

You’ve got to be kidding me. Hillary will eat him alive in a debate.

He keeps getting played by the press. How on earth can he hope to handle a professional campaigner like Hillary? He’ll get flustered, come out with more phony bluster, and she’ll cut him to pieces.

I wouldn’t doubt that she’s donating to his campaign, like McCaskill did with Todd Akin, to get the matchup she wants.

To take her down, we need someone who can wield a rapier as well as a sledgehammer. That ain’t Trump.

[Georgia Girl 2]

You have to be kidding me. Trump has been playing the press since the day he announced. They are at a total loss as to how to handle him. Anybody else would have been destroyed months ago by the MSM coordinating the the GOPe.

I’ll bet you still can’t understand how Trump has methodically gotten rid of or marginalized all of his GOP competition to the point that he has a 10-22 pt lead over number two in every national poll.

Trump dominates the news cycle and when he becomes the GOP nominee he will take Hillary apart by picking fights and dominating the news over her just like he is doing to his party candidates now. Hillary won’t be able to buy a TV minute. She will never be able to fight Trump’s onslaught through social media and his ever increasing vitriol agains’t her in interviews. There are significant numbers of Democrats right now who are going to vote for Trump. Wait til he starts campaigning in the general election.

[exit82]

There are significant numbers of Democrats right now who are going to vote for Trump.

This is a very significant and encouraging event.

[TontoKowalski]

At some point, and I don't think it will be long, a bunch of Republican Senate and House candidates in swing states are going to think to themselves,

"I wonder what it would be like to have 12,000 people at a campaign rally and have their hero urge them to vote for ME."

This blue collar cross-over appeal could mean an awful lot down ballot.

[Jane Long]

Go Trump!!

ONLY candidate not owned by Cheap Labor Express PACs/groups.

We the People are sick and tired of PAC controlled legislation.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Good point!

[highball]

Keep dreaming, my friend.

You can’t seriously think that the train-wreck press attention he’s gotten so far can propel him through an actual campaign.

[Georgia Girl 2]

You are the one that is in denial. Name one other candidate who is drawing between 4,000 and 30,000 people to every rally to hear the same stump speech. Its a tidal wave and you can either ride it or get swamped by it.

Sadly for anti Trumpers the polls are usually fairly accurate. So when number two cannot get closer than 10-22 pts behind in the polls whose dreaming? Me or you? :-)

[highball]

Oh, I’m not doubting that the polls are by and large accurate. I spent the last months of the 2012 campaign trying to remind people here that they are. It would be foolish to ignore them.

Almost as foolish as believing anything Donald Trump says. He’s been lying during this campaign. I know he mouths the right things, and his supporters desperately want to believe that he’ll lie to everybody but them, but I can’t go there.

I get that people are frustrated with the status quo. And I am too. But the answer is to get behind a tried and true genuine conservative, not a blustery showman who can’t be trusted.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I accept that you are a Cruz fan but millions of us just have a basic disagreement with your assessment of Donald Trump. I have been hoping he would run for President since 2012.

My personal belief about Trump after observing him in the public realm for many years and listening to him talk about the problems of the country and why he got involved is that Donald Trump is just as much of a patriotic Americans I am. I believe he genuinely wants to get the Constitutional Republic back.

As far as Trump’s character goes what is there to distrust? I have not seen one person whether it be former employee or business associate interviewed on any news channel or in any publication stating that Trump is a liar or untrustworthy. In fact most people who Know Donald Trump say he is smart, shrewd, a good negotiator and also a decent person with a lot of integrity.

In addition there are many stories in the public domain documenting Donald Trump’s kind and generous nature. You never hear it from him only from others. He never talks about it. Never uses those stories to further himself.

Trump just got that vet from a few rallies ago all of his back pay and medical issues resolved with the VA. The only reason we know about it is because of a little one line tweet from Trump’s senior advisor. You would think that to use your words “a blustery showman” would be bragging night and day about it at his rallies. Not a word that I have heard him say about it. Not a word about giving Sgt Tamooreesi $25,000 to get his life back together after he got out of that Mexican prison.

So I’m sorry but I’m not seeing the lying, duplicitous blustery showman you are seeing.

Please tell me what is unconservative about the following:

1. Securing the SW border with a wall and making Mexico pay for it.
2. Deporting or forcing self deportation of 11-20 million unwanted illegas.
3. Re-structuring the VA to increase efficiency, get rid of waste and abuse to lower costs.
4. Re-negotiating all of the US trade agreements to secure better terms for the country.
5. Getting rid of Obamacare.
6. Gutting and/or getting rid of rogue agencies like EPA, Energy and Education.
7. Lowering tax rates on individuals and corporations to create jobs and jumpstart the economy.

If there is something specific about Donald Trump you don’t like then fine you should name those specific things. Otherwise you just are not credible.

[highball]

Trump has lied on the stump. In the past couple weeks alone he was caught in two of them; he lied about personally seeing “thousands upon thousands” of Muslims in cheering 9/11 in Jersey City, and he lied about not knowing a disabled reporter when he made fun of the reporter’s palsy.

I admit he’s saying the right things. But when he lies about stupid, minor stuff why should we believe him? That’s my problem with him.

[visualops]

and he lied about not knowing a disabled reporter when he made fun of the reporter’s palsy

I think we know who's lying, and it's you.

[Duchess47]

I’ve heard this about the reporter repeated endlessly. The reporter claims to have had a lot of contact with Donald Trump. So far the only confirmation of this (and I’ve never seen the interview or article to prove it) is that the last contact he had was 1989. I don’t believe anyone would remember a single reporter from that long ago.

As for muslims celebrating, I watched the coverage. They celebrated in NJ, in Michigan, in Seattle and in the middle east. Probably a lot more places than I saw on the news and possibly not thousands in one place.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I think we can all agree that Donald Trump tends to embellish a story. I have the same tendency but the truth is always present. In point of fact many Muslims in the NE were celebrating when the towers came down. How many is not exactly knows. So Trump did not lie about what he saw he may embellished a bit.

[highball]

As for muslims celebrating, I watched the coverage. They celebrated in NJ, in Michigan, in Seattle and in the middle east. Probably a lot more places than I saw on the news and possibly not thousands in one place.

And that's why this was such a stupid lie. All he had to do was say that. Instead he doubled down on his "thousand upon thousands in Jersey City" statement, to the point where it stopped being a mistake and became an outright lie.

Then he, or his campaign, lied again, insinuating that the media was now covering it up, scrubbing away the coverage that once was there. It's just not true, and it only makes him look worse when he repeats it.

I actually have more respect for Ben Carson on this one. He came out with the same nonsense, then realized it was wrong and backtracked.

We need a Commander in Chief secure enough to realize when he's made a mistake and admit it. Trump just isn't man enough to do that, which is really, really worrisome.

[highball]

I think we can all agree that Donald Trump tends to embellish a story. I have the same tendency but the truth is always present. In point of fact many Muslims in the NE were celebrating when the towers came down. How many is not exactly knows. So Trump did not lie about what he saw he may embellished a bit.

You know, if he had just said that there wouldn't be any problem. He could just throw up his arms, smile and say "hey, sometimes I get a little carried away" he would have been okay. And his larger point could have been made.

Instead, he doubled down on his embellishment and insisted it was the full and utter truth. Which just made him look like a fool. And made the story all about him and his passing relationship with the truth.

I just don't trust him. He's made it clear that he knows what his audience is, and he'll say whatever we want to hear. Well, I've been down this road with presidential candidates before. I want somebody to tell me the truth, not what he thinks I want him to say. That's why I'm all in for Ted Cruz. He may embellish in the future, he might get carried away, but I trust he won't then turn that embellishment into a really stupid and easily disprovable lie.