sorry...but I know many people you just described and they, would not have any trouble pulling the lever for him...at this point.
Well, I see something different from you : I don't know *anybody* - Not in my family, my extended family, my church, my extended Christian environment, my business, nor my extended business environment - I don't know a single person that will vote for trump. They may well be there, because politics is not always the topic, but where it has been the topic, he doesn't have their vote. Where I am at, folks like y'all seem to be a rarity.
[roamer_1:]Take away his election year speeches and look at his life, and what he has stood for, and one cannot see many of the values that Christians look for, and one can see support for things and organizations that Christians oppose.
That is true...there are things that I’m not happy with however, he, as we all, are sinful and fallen and are always able to be redeemed. We have disappointed before and will continue to be if we put our faith in man...
True enough, and a reasonable way to treat the man, but certainly not the way to treat the candidate. What we have to go by are his record and his election year promises - If you discount his record, what do you have left? I am all for redemption - but I need not believe in 'road to Damascus' conversions, especially those which coincide conveniently with the election season.
If he means it, let him prove it. When his record starts looking like his promises, then I'll believe it, and he has a shot at my vote... but that surely will not be this time around - not in the primary, and not in the general. His record is liberal, and I will not vote for a liberal.
[roamer_1:] Bear in mind that I am not speaking in judgement”...”What is left is low-info Christians, and those to whom their faith is secondary.
Not speaking in judgment? How do you know they are LICs and their faith is secondary?
Because no Christian I know would find his record to be satisfactory. Many folks aren't paying much attention yet - But they will, and as word gets out, I imagine he will lose support. What he is saying does not match what he has done. Again, look at ValueVoters - Those were politically aware and informed Christians (that is their purpose). More than in any other venue, he fell flat on his face. They weren't buying it. And neither am I, nor anyone that I personally know...
Again, I am not casting aspersions on you or anyone else - I am interested in it statistically - He is capable of carrying *some* Christians. But he will not *carry the Christians*, any more than Romney or McCain did. He will divide the house and split their vote. And then he will lose. He does not have what it takes to cause the Christians come out in force.
And that is *the biggest* disadvantage he could have. There is no organization around with as deep a standing network, nor one with anywhere near as many willing boots-on-the-ground, as the Christian Right intrinsically possesses. Without it he will fail.
[roamer_1:]First, I don’t think he’s weak on anything.
respectfully disagree with you. As I posted in other similar threads he had a couple of significant miscalculations, mistakes, or whatever you want to call it on votes this past year. I’ve seen all the excuses, etc., but have a hard time trusting someone who may be so calculating and that requires outside donors (yes, I know he receives a good deal of private donations, and that speaks volumes to his support, but those donations are not what is going to keep him in the race...he’s going to need big $$ donors, and they are going to expect something in return).
And we will remain in disagreement - His conservative record is rock solid... If there is anyone out there who is predictably Conservative, it is Cruz. Even if I give you the 'mistakes' (which I will not), they are exceedingly few in one of the most stalwart, adamantine records there are - And his record matches his promises with precision.
And as to his being obligated to his donors - He has been likewise obligated to his party, and on many things he stood nearly alone, and under great pressure, against the wishes of his party. I do not believe he will do otherwise in any condition, be it party or donors, or any other influence. He has the strength of character to do the right thing, and has proven it.
On the other hand, you seem willing to ignore the predominantly liberal record of Trump (quite like Romney, btw) to secure a mere handful of promises, which you have no guarantee that he has the ability or even the intention to keep. On what do you secure his promises?
I don't understand that at all.
[roamer_1:]Secondly, because I believe that a person must be guided by a strong moral compass, it is the primary thing I look for... and it is foremost in predicting a given outcome in any situation. Ergo, his moral fiber will innately guide him.
No disagreement here...but we do not know what is in someone’s heart.
True... All we can do is look at what they have done to determine what they will do - It's the only bellwether that we have.
[roamer_1:] Thirdly, Cruz does not ‘say’ he is Christian. His history does. He walks the walk. Now, no one can judge his heart, but his actions speak much louder that his speeches. -
ok. So what does that mean when it comes to the issues of the day? Is he going to support building a wall and deportation of those that are here illegally?
You can bet money Cruz will enforce the law. He always has. Why would he stop now? And he says the law on the books is sufficient. And I agree with that, btw. It isn't that we need new laws, but rather, that the laws we already have are enforced. That goes a long, long way toward fixing the whole Mexican enchilada. Is he going to feed you a load of crap and tell you his wall will be 10 ft higher than Trump's? Of course not. Because Trump's wall won't be built in the first place. It is pie-in-the-sky electioneering.
[roamer_1:] Ted Cruz is not weak on borders and immigration. If it were not for Ted Cruz, almost single-handedly, and against his party’s wishes, immigration would already be a moot point.
Sorry, beg to differ...the issue is at national prominence now because of one person, and one person only. And it’s not Cruz.
That's because Trump's bombast, fame, and money have given him the microphone. Where the rubber meets the road, very few (Conservatives all, btw) stood to stop amnesty. Very few took an anti-immigration stance - And Cruz, to his credit has always stood among them, and even led them.
Thanks for your reply.
Well, we will agree to disagree then. God bless...may we be in the winning column come next year.