Posted on 12/15/2015 3:23:02 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
By Dec. 1, 2016, the FDA is requiring all restaurant chains to have nutritional facts for beer on tap and all brewers have nutritional labeling,
(Excerpt) Read more at minnesota.cbslocal.com ...
Excuse me, but beer is good for you.
Beer contains Niacin, Vitamin B-6, thiamin, riboflavin, Pantothenic Acid, choline, flavonoids, and, particularly for hoppy beers like IPAs, polyphenols, and dietary silicon. Beer also contains protein (depending upon the type, 1-3 grams per 12 ounce serving).
I'm not saying that it is "health food," but consider that the Israelites who worked on the pyramids were paid in beer. Before the understanding of sanitation, people drank beer because un-sanitized water was poison.
It's not just me saying this, peer reviewed studies have been done showing the health benefits of beer.
If you are referring to the incorporation of the United States in the District of Columbia that is NOT a valid basis for general power.
In Marbury we find Chief Justice Marshall expressly state that the enumeration of particular powers must have an exclusive, or a negative sense, relative to all powers not so delegated or else the enumeration of them serves no purpose.
Moreover, that being true, the enumeration of specific and limited circumstantial exceptions to this doctrine of delegated powers must also be exclusive to all other potential claims for such exceptions or else the act of enumerating those exceptions serves no purpose.
There is no middle ground between these options.
If there are powers other than those actually delegated in the Law, or if there are unwritten exceptions to be had (wherein more general power may be claimed) than those exceptions actually presented in the Law, the the writing of the Law serves no purpose and established no permanent principals which Marshall wrote of.
Yes, the Congress has legislative power in all circumstances whatsoever in a place like DC. But saying that’s where the federal government, the United States, resides and so it has all powers everywhere because of it being domiciled in DC is inherently LAWLESS.
There is an exception permitted the federal concerning a few sorts of places wherein more general power is lawful AND those exceptions do not extend to beyond those circumstances.
The 10th Amendment was drafted and ratified to prevent such misconstructions and abuses as the federal now freely and lawlessly engages in.
Incorrect.
The States existed before it.
They ratified the Constitution to permit it to exist at all. The ratification of the Constitution did not reduce them to mere entities under it.
Sadly, you'd be surprised how many microbreweries are owned by Inbev and SABMiller. (and Inbev is working on buying SABMiller).
Oh, by the way, there is no Coors...it's now part of a JV with SABMiller.
You are arguing with an illiterate. He has never read a law and couldn’t identify a written law in a bucket of jellybeans. He’s the type of ignorant idiot that claims, “There’s this law...”, but has never read it and couldn’t find it if you googled it for him and sent him the link.
Good work Rurudyne!
Regardless what FDRs activist justices wanted everybody to think about Congresss Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that the states have never delegated to the corrupt feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate INTRAstate commerce.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added].” - Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Regarding agriculture, state sovereignty-respecting justices had likewise clarified that the states have never constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate INTRAstate agricultural production.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited. None to regulate agricultural production is given, and therefore legislation by Congress for that purpose is forbidden [emphasis added].” - United States v. Butler, 1936.
On the other hand, FDRs thug justices had addressed manufacturing when they essentially treated 10th Amendment-protected state powers as a wives tale when they wrongly decided Wickard v. Filburn in corrupt Congresss favor imo.
”In discussion and decision, the point of reference, instead of being what was ”necessary and proper” to the exercise by Congress of its granted power, was often some concept of sovereignty thought to be implicit in the status of statehood. Certain activities such as ”production,” ”manufacturing,” [emphases added] and ”mining” were occasionally said to be within the province of state governments and beyond the power of Congress under the Commerce Clause.” - Wickard v. Filburn, 1942.
Well I’m not dissing on the subject as it has validity but it does not sound like he understands it very well. Its real complicated. I would not engage. :-)
You are very right. Beer had two important properties. It was a way of preserving grain nutritional content and because of the alcohol, it was less disease ridden than ordinary water. It really was an important foodstuff. But you may as well save it, I have been making this argument to my wife for twenty-five years and she still doesn’t buy it.
Yes, the Congress has legislative power in all circumstances whatsoever in a place like DC. But saying that's where the federal government, the United States, resides and so it has all powers everywhere because of it being domiciled in DC is inherently LAWLESS.
Until the 14th Amendment came along. Since then the whole country, the incorporated territory of every former State, is - in legal fact - DC.
Incorporation has extended itself everywhere. Common law is fully intact - it's just ignored, because all laws now are statutory, and so the courts refuse to acknowledge any decisions prior to the 14th Amendment general incorporation of statutory law. Those same courts can sit in their common law capacities, but they refuse when challenged to do so. They sit ONLY as corporate courts now.
Also, look up "exterior boundaries" of a State. Nominally used to designate territories, the phrase is now used for all sorts of descriptions of land boundaries, because it now references incorporated areas (and, usefully, territorial law is also an incorporated law, i.e. positive law).
There is a method by which all of these inhuman rulings are derived by the courts - they no longer acknowledge humanity. Only corporations, or incorporated entities of some kind. And that means they also do not acknowledge state boundaries, either - which is extremely obvious these days. Look at this very thread, people asking how the feds can reach into the states to rule of craft beer. Answer: it's corporate regulations at the federal level, which state corporate statutes and regulations now have to implement.
It's all right there in front of you, if you want to see it.
Worked for me when I started homebrewing :)
You describe your own actions on this thread. And you're rude in not pinging me when you reference me. All you've got is personal attacks, and no legal justifications or explanations. You must be a lawyer.
The supreme court ruled otherwise sometime in the 1930s (or 40s) - They ruled against a farmer that sold all his crop locally, never crossing state line.
This is the camel nose that began a lot of mischief in our nation.
Yeah its real complicated, so you should stay out of it. And when you want to support a slanderer, find the decency to ping the person you're secondarily slandering about a subject that you admit is over your head. That's not real complicated.
I think it’s already on the menu.
Maybe he took classes at the University of Chicago from Obama...
Exactly, and they did so by invoking a definition of that farmer that was CORPORATE, and so gave them the jusrisdiction to invoke corporate interpretations and applications of the Constitution, which they in turn corporatized by invoking the 14th Amendment, which used a different application of the word "person" that was resolved by the courts as meaning a corporate representative - the SAME definition which is still used by the statutes and courts for the word "person" today.
“Maybe he took classes at the University of Chicago from Obama...”
Maybe he TAUGHT Obama?!
I tried homebrewing, until I got that Cease and Desist order.
“You must be a lawyer. “
Well, you are obviously not one, must less anyone with a high school level education to make the claims that you do.
The big horse urine companies can endure this cost but the flavorful craft brewers can’t. Wait, isn’t there a beer big wig in Congress? I seem to remember somebody that is married to a horse urine distribution heiress.
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