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palmer- the heat is rising fro mthe surface of the earth- most of it does not even contact CO2- there ismpyl isn’t enough CO2 and Way too much heat molecules for what little CO2 is there to absorb it all- and even if it did absorb 100% what difference does it make? None- it releases it immediately and the molecules are no warmer than when they were absorbed

[[The O2 or N2 is warmer due to the CO2.]]

It can’t be- CO2 isn’t a furnace heating up the escaping heat molecules from earth- it can only transfer what it captures- Heat escaping from earth and meeting NO CO2 will transfer it’s heat naturally to surrounding molecules just the same as it would when absorbed then released by the CO2- there is no increase in heat

IF I turn on a room heater, it spits out warmer air, which heats the cooler air it collides with- IF the room were to contain 0.00136% CO2 in it, that warmer air coming from the ceramic heater isn’t going to get even warmer once it has left the heater and entered into the air space of the room even if it encounter’s CO2 molecules- Unless you are suggesting that CO2 acts as a furnace?

IF there were a thick blanket of CO2 preventing heat from going past the CO2, that stretched over the entire planet, then you could claim CO2 was beign prevented from

[[All IR photons are intercepted in roughly 100 feet of atmosphere by one of the 10^41 CO2 molecules (there are 10^44 total molecules).]]

There are 6 quadrillion tons of atmosphere- only a few billion tons of CO2- there is no way 0.04% of the atmosphere translates to an atmosphere saturated with CO2 particles- you are claiming that nearly all of the atmosphere is saturated with CO2- the figures are not adding up- only 0.04% of the atmosphere has CO2- (man responsible for just 0.00136% of the CO2 in atmosphere)How are you coming up with a totally different %? I have never seen a claim that nearly all the atmosphere has CO2 molecules in it-


78 posted on 12/27/2015 9:22:16 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434
the heat is rising fro mthe surface of the earth- most of it does not even contact CO2

Convection is different. It is one of the two types of heat transfer that bypass CO2 (the other is latent heat transfer). It doesn't matter what level of CO2 there is, convection and latent transfer are independent. But radiative transfer is photons emitted from the surface and lower levels of the atmosphere and all* those photons are intercepted by CO2 (* a trivial number make it through without being intercepted)

IF there were a thick blanket of CO2 preventing heat from going past the CO2

With PV=nRT and R of 0.287, T of 300K, V of 1 liter, and P of 1 atmosphere; there are 0.01 moles of air in that liter or 6 x 10^21 molecules. Since 0.04% of those molecules are CO2, there are 10^18 CO2 molecules of CO2 in just a liter of atmosphere. That's a lot of molecules and a lot of chances to intercept an IR photon. The fact that it is such a low percentage (0.04%) is mitigated by the fact that air has so many molecules.

only a few billion tons of CO2

Only a few billion? It's actually 720 billion tonnes of CO2 and even though it is spread out there are still 10^18 molecules in every liter or 10^21 in a cubic meter.

84 posted on 12/28/2015 4:58:51 PM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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