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Why the Establishment Fears Cruz More Than Trump
Conservative Review ^ | December 28th, 2015 | Robert Eno

Posted on 12/28/2015 2:33:48 PM PST by Isara

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To: skeeter
Anyone still pushing this narrative is doing so knowing full well it is a lie.

Anyone pushing the narrative that it is a lie, is doing so knowing full well that they are lying.

The proof? Cruz's own words.

141 posted on 12/28/2015 4:23:20 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Your quote does NOT prove anything, especially since much of it is pure opinion. Try reading Cruz’s actual policy papers. He NEVER supported legalization. He even campaigned against legalization in Texas several years ago. That is an absolute fact beyond any doubt.

Trump does support amnesty. Trump stated he would “let the good ones back in”. That is amnesty! He never said anything about legal entry, but why do we need any of them back in at all? We don’t. Of course, Trump has always been pro-amnesty even when he attacked Romney for being to hard on illegals.

Cruz did NOT campaign for TPA. Again, you continue lying as if you can change the facts.

Truth about Trump is not primitive. Try getting a clue. If you can bring up Cruz’s past then Trump’s past is open for debate too. The fact is that Trumpets are scared to confront the truth. Trump has been and still is a liberal. He is pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-sensible gun control, pro-amnesty until last year, and a pro-Clinton supporter and friend. All of these positions are documented and will never appeal to true conservatives. It is a fact that Trump is a liberal regardless of whether he wears the title of democrat or republican. Just own it...unless you’re ashamed of your candidate.


142 posted on 12/28/2015 4:24:40 PM PST by TXDuke
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To: Isara

“Why the Establishment Fears Cruz More Than Trump”

Yeah, right. Which is why the GOPe and the media spend 99% of their time attacking Trump.

Here’s why the GOPe and the media REALLY fear Trump:

Trump upset the whole apple cart and also propelled Cruz. I’m just a dumbass blue collar redneck, but that’s how I’ve watched it play out. Indeed, that’s exactly what happened, and only a few weeks ago, at that. But boy do people sure have short memories!

People have already forgotten about The Trump Effect.

Trump set the national agenda with illegal immigration and other issues that the GOPe and their allies desperately wanted to avoid, and now they can’t. The GOPe was not prepared for this, and as a consequence they don’t have a clue about what to do, hence their almost universal collapse into a pile of quivering jello, flip-flopping like a bag of Mexican jumping beans dumped on a hot griddle.

Trump has exposed those who pretend to be conservative but are really just fronts for big money establishment campaign donors who purchase their candidates with campaign “donations”.

Trump, by actually being a real man, has exposed the other candidates (Cruz excepting of course) and their allies for the weak little sniveling sellouts that they really are.

Trump’s vociferous truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media has been the catalyst that triggered a massive revolt amongst conservative voters who are infuriated at the GOPe Congress doing absolutely ZERO to stop Obama’s agenda, and suddenly the GOP RINO leadership is in full blown panic mode and in full blown retreat, and the SMALL conservative House contingent smelt blood in the water, took heart, and charged in against a weakened, frightened and paralyzed GOPe leadership, and Boehner was taken out as a sacrificial lamb.

Trump is absolutely correct when he says that without Trump in the race, everything would be same-ol’, same-ol. The Joyful Tippy-Toes Turtle would be creeping closer to the finish line, Boehner would still be safely ensconced as Speaker, and there would be no mention of illegal immigration are any of the issues surrounding it by any politician in either party, other than possibly how critical it would be to pass immigration “reform”.

The media are loath to make the connection, but it’s obvious that the Boehner resignation was yet another falling domino, toppling due to the Trump Effect, because Trump’s unabashed truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media triggered a revolt amongst the great unwashed GOP masses which emboldened a few conservative Congress critters to grow a few pairs.

And we wouldn’t even be having ANY of these conversations about illegal immigration and the myriad of other Obammunist issues destroying our country if it wasn’t for Trump. Instead, we’d simply be debating which RINO, GOPe squish would be least likely to be stomped by Hillary, and the GOPe would once again be exhorting the “base” about how critical it is for us to once again vote for the “lesser of two evils”, that is, vote for the GOPe side of the Uniparty coin.

And do note that ALL of the oligarchs and plutocrats are frightened to death of Donald Trump because the billionaires and millionaires can’t buy him like all of the other politicians they routinely purchase, because Trump doesn’t need nor want their money, and the kommie media is frightened to death of him because he isn’t afraid of them either, the bottom line being that Donald Trump can not be controlled by the rich and powerful or the corrupt media, so for anyone who is truly for campaign finance reform and wants to take money out of politics, voting for Trump is the only reasonable choice.

President Trump is really the last hope for this country: if he can’t undo any of the damage wrought by the Obammunists, the U.S.A. is done.

So least we forget, the above, and much more, are called “The Trump Effect”.


143 posted on 12/28/2015 4:25:05 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Others have taken you to task on this, and have explained exactly what happened happened, what was said and why. I won’t bother repeating what has been said because you clearly do not want to hear,

You choose not to listen and continue to propagate a proven lie.

What does that make you?


144 posted on 12/28/2015 4:25:23 PM PST by skeeter
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To: RitaOK

Trump says he bought favors from politicians, including the Clintons. I’m always hearing he is an outsider. That’s like saying a John is not part of a transaction with a prostitute,


145 posted on 12/28/2015 4:25:27 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: LS

Trump has never disrupted anything in his life. He’s been making corrupt deals with elected Democratic Party politicians in New York for decades to advance his own selfish business interests. His lifetime record tells me he ain’t disrupting s**t if we make the mistake of sending this life time liberal to the White House.


146 posted on 12/28/2015 4:26:23 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: VanDeKoik
What has he disrupted again?

According to Sessions the Gang of Eight immigration bill wouldn't have been stopped without him. Cruz fought the budget battle almost singlehandedly, shutting down the government and giving the Senate to the Republicans.

What has Trump ever done to reduce the size and scope of government?

Oh yeah, nothing.

But he supported TARP, bank bailouts, Kelo and government-run healthcare.

He's the billionaire you can trust.

147 posted on 12/28/2015 4:26:28 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: lodi90

I’m a Cruz supporter, which means I support the Constitution and the rule of law. I would love to ban muslims, but it won’t happen.

BTW, Congress and the Courts do have authority over the entry of foreign nationals as well and will overrule Trump on this because it is illegal. You might want to brush up on your federal laws a bit.

You sound like an Obama supporter since you seem to think it is okay for Trump to skip around congress and violate religious liberties. That is a dangerous slippery slope, my friend.


148 posted on 12/28/2015 4:28:58 PM PST by TXDuke
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To: TXDuke
Your quote does NOT prove anything,

Your denial does NOT prove anything.

especially since much of it is pure opinion.

It is a direct quote. The link is fully sourced. It is not an opinion.

Try reading Cruz’s actual policy papers.

Which talks about "enforcing the law," and "deporting criminal aliens," but then he turned around and refused to take legalization off the table for the illegal aliens already here (presumably the "non-criminal" ones?)-- not once, not twice-- but for the entire campaign season in response to direct questions, as my link demonstrates. He then lied on December 15th, claiming that he never supported legalization, even though he did, and even Rush Limbaugh was not opposing it at the time, at least in 2013.

That might have changed with Trump dictating policy these days.

Cruz did NOT campaign for TPA.

So what's that article he wrote with Paul Ryan doing? What about the interviews he did on the subject, downplaying the danger of TPP on immigration law and poo pooing conservative concerns as internet conspiracy theories?

The fact is that Trumpets are scared to confront the truth.

On the contrary, we have an objective view of his flaws and don't care, because we recognize an American patriot when we see one! And we're not going to change to vote for the "principled conservative" because he's not one! Nor is he a leader!

149 posted on 12/28/2015 4:31:48 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: gundog

No, he isn’t in it if he can’t run it, and no, I think a large part of Trump’s support is outside traditional GOP circles-—union, blue-dog Dems, not impressed with the evangelical vote.


150 posted on 12/28/2015 4:33:24 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

No, and you know that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying Cruz has yet to win any argument, if by win I mean actually doing something. Again, 0 for 3: shutdown, Iran, TPP. Even in the Amnesty debate, he didn’t get anyone to vote with him.


151 posted on 12/28/2015 4:34:43 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: skeeter
One thing that worries me about Trump is how he will react as president in the event he's compelled to do something wildly unpopular with a significant segment of the population - like use the bully pulpit to compile congress to defund a major welfare program.

What makes you think Trump would even contemplate defunding a major entitlement? He's on record as supporting Social Security and Medicare as they are.

152 posted on 12/28/2015 4:35:09 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: skeeter
Others have taken you to task on this,

And failed miserably to give a substantial, rational response. I think the closest I ever got to someone actually debating me on the substance, instead of just asserting I was wrong, was this one guy who insisted that when Cruz was calling legalization part of "common sense immigration reform," he actually meant to say "your idea of common sense!" LOL

and have explained exactly what happened happened,

I've done 2 highly detailed posts detailing exactly what happened! You should read them and get educated:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3372213/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3374003/posts

Soon I'll be putting one together and examining Cruz's ties with Occult/Dominionism theology. That'll be fun, considering the responses I still get over Cruz and legalization!

I won’t bother repeating what has been said

No, you ARE repeating what has been said. Your post represents 99.9 percent of all responses I've ever gotten on the subject!

153 posted on 12/28/2015 4:36:39 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: LS
I think Trump can do a whole lotta more disruptin', especially since he isn't beholden to the PACs and lobbyists that even Ted is.

How? Specifics please.

154 posted on 12/28/2015 4:37:18 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
There is an element of that that involves being able to work outside the system, seeing ways to pressure, cajole, or "incentivize" (bribe) or blackmail people (in the right way) to get something done. I just don't see Ted doing that.

Once in a while I think we need a leader on our side who isn't so "moral." Yeah, a Reagan is great when you can get one, but I'd settle for a Teddy Roosevelt right now. Not my favorite prez, but I knew that he loved the country every step of the way.

155 posted on 12/28/2015 4:37:31 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

So again, this is the 2-4th post where the ONLY actual answer given is the “gang of 8 bill”.

Is THAT what you are going to run on in the fall?

“Hey, everyday voter, did you know that Cruz stopped the Gang of 8 bill!? What? You dont know what the hell that is???”

“What has Trump ever done to reduce the size and scope of government?”

Might I ask what did Cruz do to “reduce the size and scope of government” other than losing every vote? Trump isnt a member of congress, so why the hell is that even a question?


156 posted on 12/28/2015 4:38:15 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Thanks, but I’ll take Jeff Sessions word over your’s.

I know you’ve been told that before, too. To no effect.


157 posted on 12/28/2015 4:38:21 PM PST by skeeter
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To: altura

I appreciate your counsel and respect your disposition.

To play paddy cakes with a deliberate liar is an injustice to truth. You may be all *for* that. I am not.

One does not have to “display a high degree of intelligence” to recognize a lie, nor the liar who distributed it.

Those who lie in desperate attempts to fuel a case they can not make on the facts are going to be called out if truth still matters.

To call someone a liar is to declare that they have deliberately slandered someone by attributing to them positions that are false on their face.

TRUMP is pro-LIFE. Clearly. He gave quite a synopsis about why he was pro-LIFE, and he has repeated it on many televised occasions. TRUMP has denied nothing. He has never denied that he was uncaring about the subject for much of his life, but that he declared himself pro-LIFE after a particular experience.

When your suggestion that persuasion must include deception, count most of us out. “You’re a liar” is actually a very persuasive comment, when truth matters.


158 posted on 12/28/2015 4:38:33 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Jim Robinson
B/S. She's a shitburger and everyone knows it.

100 percent correct. Hillary Rotten Criminal can count on her sycophants and willing allies in the libtard media to carry her water only so far, because at some point she is going to have to stand on her own two feet, and face the nominee of the Republican Party. I like Cruz, and I like Trump (just as you do), however if we employ a boxing analogy, Cruz is a lot like 'Gentleman Jim' Corbett, a great champion who transformed boxing from a brawling sport into a scientific art, however in this race?

We need a street fighter and a brawler, which is why Trump will take the fight to the Bitch of Benghazi, and he will take no prisoners. He will totally eviscerate her as only a tough guy born in Queens New York can do. He's gonna schlong her.

I continue to believe that Ted Cruz would be a great VP choice for Trump, but I will happily support either man as the nominee.
159 posted on 12/28/2015 4:38:37 PM PST by mkjessup (Islam is the ENEMY of all civilized people. Obama is a Muslim. What's that tell ya?!?)
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To: DoodleDawg

You’re so funny. You’re killin me. How about you start with the specifics of how Ted is going to succeed? Yeah, tell me about all the things in the senate that he stopped? All the Iran deals he killed, all the Obamacare he stopped.


160 posted on 12/28/2015 4:38:37 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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