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Did Putin plant the holiday jet bomb that killed 224 Russians? Ex-KGB agent claims...
Daily Mail ^ | 25 December 2015 | Andrew Malone

Posted on 12/29/2015 1:37:38 PM PST by annalex

Did Putin plant the holiday jet bomb that killed 224 Russians? Ex-KGB agent claims this dossier proves the Kremlin orchestrated the atrocity to justify waging war on Syria

By ANDREW MALONE FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 16:51 EST, 25 December 2015 | UPDATED: 07:53 EST, 26 December 2015


...One man certainly believes so: Boris Karpichkov, a former spy with the KGB (later renamed the FSB) who now lives under a new identity with his wife and family at a secret location in England after fleeing here in fear for his life. His sensational claim at first seems unbelievable. For he maintains it was the Kremlin, not ISIS, that deliberately blew the plane out of the sky. And he says Putin cynically authorised the tragedy not only to obtain worldwide sympathy at a time when Russia was being treated as a pariah because of its aggression towards Ukraine, but also to gain support for its ostensible belligerence against ISIS, which Putin would use as a cover to attack rebel groups in Syria who were sworn enemies of his ally President al-Assad.

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To: ETL
He (Trump) continued: "I have always felt that Russia and the United States should be able to work well with each other towards defeating terrorism and restoring world peace, not to mention trade and all of the other benefits derived from mutual respect."

Right on the mark, with a +50% following and growing, all due to trolls and RT propaganda in your outdated mind.

Putin held a year end 4:15 min press conference last week. No teleprompter, no soft ball questions, thousands of international reporters.

It can be seen on the Internet and well worth your time (otherwise used by searching for garbage by semi neacons paid in part by Soros).

After you have watched it you will understand hopefully why Putin has 90% popularity in Russia and growing respect world wide.

You needn't respond if you haven't watched it.

61 posted on 12/30/2015 8:04:16 AM PST by duckln
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To: Jacob Kell
just sour grapes by a very disgruntled man

Yes, it could be just that. We have no proof. It is a theory; but so far as theories go, this one is quite plausible. Stale contacts are still contacts; he may not be the only disgruntled KGB spy. It shows that there is a rumor factory somewhere in the GRU and the factory produced this allegation.

Besides, Russia was already involved in Syria, and the UN and Obama wasn’t saying boo to him with regard to that or the Ukraine.

But Pu needed more. He needed a gradual return to the pre-Maidan status of a respected world power, the lifting of the sanctions, return to G20, and of course keeping its naval base in Syria. From the article:

the Kremlin desperately needed the kind of justification which would generate worldwide attention and full international sympathy and approval for military action

62 posted on 12/30/2015 11:41:29 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: duckln
the big lie promoted by Nazi Joseph Goebbels in the 1930's

I lived in the USSR. I have my own good reasons to hate it. And what was so lovable in the USSR of the 30's? I do not need Goebbels to make up my mind: I read original sources and hear my own relatives.

all the positive changes made since then

Yes, the break up of the USSR, the opening of the archives, introduction of private enterprise, the condemnation of Communist ideology were all positive changes. The world's attitude toward Russia also changed then. But the changes did not go far enough and now the positive aspects all eroded. Accordingly, the respect for the Russian people has eroded. Goebbels did not do that; Putin did.

Nato on the other hand continued to put a choke hold on the country

What choke hold? Nato has conditions and a process for a country to apply for membership. Why did not Russia apply? Those "former USSR republics" applied and were admitted. The fact that the Russian Federation saw in that a "choke hold" rather than a natural decision of sovereign countries who culturally are closer to Germany than to Russia proves that their fear of the Russians was justified. It is now just a matter of time till Ukraine joins, this time not because of cultural affinities but simply because the newly sovereign country of Ukraine needs to protect the gains of its anti-soviet revolution.

Russia wants neutrality on it's borders. It doesn't want to be invaded again.

Since 2004 Russia invaded Georgia, Eastern Ukraine and Syria. Who invaded Russia in that time frame?

63 posted on 12/30/2015 11:59:19 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Was my first thought.
Maybe I read Tom Clancy’s Red Storm Rising too many times!


64 posted on 12/30/2015 12:15:05 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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To: duckln; ETL
Putin has 90% popularity in Russia and growing respect world wide

In a country with no competitive elections, state monopoly on the TV and heavily regulated Internet, popularity ratings mean nothing. The ability to make off-the-teleprompter remarks also means nothing. This "popularity" thing is more accurately termed "cult of personality".

About the "respect world wide", yeah, possibly. See the main topic again: reaching for world sympathy by false-flag terrorism acts.

65 posted on 12/30/2015 12:17:57 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
The main topic is did Putin put a soda can bomb behind a seat in a Russian passenger jet, killing 224 of its own citizens. Just to justify aiding its ally Syria in his fight against a minority of rebels wanting to take over Syria, butcher the Christians and enlist Syria into a caliphate.

I don't think so. It amazing such nonsense allegations even gets posted.

66 posted on 12/30/2015 12:46:02 PM PST by duckln
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To: duckln

Why wouldn’t an FSB officer kill 224 of its own citizens for some political goal? That’s how they normally operate.


67 posted on 12/30/2015 1:06:24 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Yet they kill or jail their people for real or suspected disloyalty. Something like this, I don’t know about. After all, when it comes to this or the apartment bombings, either would be a big gamble. Can Putin be sure that there wouldn’t be a FSB member somewhere that might have a attack of conscious or think that that would be going too far.


68 posted on 12/31/2015 8:04:54 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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To: annalex

Yet it has absolutely no real evidence behind it, even the circumstantial kind. After all, the apartment bombings had those two FSB guys in Ryazan.


69 posted on 12/31/2015 8:06:51 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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To: Jacob Kell
Something like this, I don't know about

That is because you see Putin in the context of Putin. But he, a KGB officer, should be viewed in the context of all the crimes of Communism: the Red Terror, the Golodomor, the liquidation of the kulaks, the collectivization of the farmers, the bare-hands industrialization, the endless foreign aggressions in the 30's, the export of Communism to Central Europe and Asia, etc. Plenty of material to find human sacrifices on a much larger scale than that.

70 posted on 12/31/2015 7:16:19 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Putin’s not a Marxist-Leninist anymore. All he really believes in is power. As a ex-KGB, he’s certainly capable of ruthlessness. Also, as I said, there’s no real proof, so far. I prefer to wait until something more concrete comes up.


71 posted on 01/01/2016 10:51:59 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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To: Jacob Kell
I agree that there is no proof, just allegations.

Putin's not a Marxist-Leninist anymore. All he really believes in is power

But that is not a negation of continuity with the crimes and mindset of Homo Sovieticus. People who really believed in Marxism-Leninism did not survive Stalin's purges. Since then, the system was ostensibly Marxist but the real ideology was that of fear and power.

72 posted on 01/01/2016 1:48:19 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Jacob Kell
I have a technical question. For the past couple of months the server was not displaying special characters any more. I notice because I have a habit of posting Greek scripture (with translations) every day, and the Greek was coming out as gibberish. The bug was not only affecting Greek or other foreign stuff, but also curved quotes and curved apostrophe. For example, if I copy and paste the beginning of your text, it comes out like this:

Putin’s not

That is because you used a curved apostrophe, not the straight "'" on the keyboard.

But your posts come out correct when you post them.

So if you don't mind, let me ask you: what computer/operating system do you use and what browser? Or do you make a special effort to encode your apostrophe by hand?

I recently wrote a utility that converts texts and for lengthier posts I use it. This is why my recent posts also come out clean. I was wondering what makes your posts work also.

73 posted on 01/01/2016 1:58:14 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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