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To: almcbean; House Atreides

you: “Or maybe you’re just trying to rationalize the fact that the guy you support said something stupid.”

Or maybe you just said something stupid. You seem to be missing my point.

Ted is going around portraying himself as some great faith figure.. but seems not to have a personal salvation testimony. No one is born a Christian, Jesus said, “your must be born again”. If you haven’t BEEN born-again, you really can’t participate intelligently in this conversation.

All I’m saying is a person, to be a true evangelical, must be born again. A born again person has a personal testimony of having been born again. Where is Ted’s personal testimony of repentance, faith, and regeneration? Can you find it anywhere?

Donald Trump appears to be a ‘cultural Christian, not an evangelical as far as the Christian faith goes. That’s fine. I really don’t know about his actual belief system. But, we’re not electing a pastor here, but a CEO and CIC.

The two recent declared ‘born-again’ presidents, Carter and GW, didn’t do a particularly good job at either of those positions. I say that as one who loves the Lord.

Again, stop the ad hominem, and straw man, knee-jerk reactions and show me the personal testimony of Ted Cruz.


17 posted on 12/30/2015 4:33:22 AM PST by theoldmarine (Saved by grace through Faith)
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To: theoldmarine

Again, stop the ad hominem, and straw man, knee-jerk reactions and show me the personal testimony of Donald Trump.


21 posted on 12/30/2015 4:47:46 AM PST by House Atreides (Cruz or lose! Do TG & Boogieman have to be asses every day?)
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To: theoldmarine

Excuse me but you’re wrong. One doesn’t need a “personal testimony” to be “saved”. Salvation is a free gift from God and sometimes, dare I say many times, the road to said salvation can and does have a moving testimony associated with it. But it’s not required for salvation and it’s not even how one can KNOW another is graced by God.

It’s not “required” that one share one’s path to salvation (one’s testimony)’to be actually graced by God. As someone said unthread, “by your fruits you shall know them”, not by some tear-jerker story! By their FRUITS, and I also dare to say the fruits Ted Cruz has actually produced (and not just what he says he will produce but has ACTUALLY produced) far outweigh anything TRUMP has ACTUALLY done! Not just SAYS he will do but actually DONE.

Maybe Cruz simply doesn’t want to share his conversion experience; there’s nothing saying he must do so. Goodness gracious, this is absolutely a moronic thing to be “criticizing” Ted Cruz for. I can’t believe on FR of all places some are actually seriously questioning his spiritual bona fides. This is a direct result of the apparently blind adulation some heap on Trump around here. That’s what I blame this on.

While we’re on this “give me your testimony or you’re a fake” kick, why doesn’t Trump give his? Oh yeah that’s right, because he’s not running as an ACTUAL conservative is he, he’s running as one of those “fiscal conservatives”, social conservatism be damned.


22 posted on 12/30/2015 4:48:00 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: theoldmarine
Donald Trump appears to be a ‘cultural Christian, not an evangelical as far as the Christian faith goes. That’s fine. I really don’t know about his actual belief system.

Riiight. Because owning casinos and titty bars doesn't tell you anything at all about his belief system.

96 posted on 12/30/2015 9:29:19 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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