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'Star Wars' and Slavery: A Quandary Awakens
Townhall.com ^ | January 1, 2016 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/01/2016 5:55:40 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: zencycler

Best to use bath gel just to be safe.


41 posted on 01/01/2016 7:27:52 AM PST by xp38
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To: Kaslin
That makes me think about how our understanding of the past is constantly changing, not because we have new facts about what happened yesterday, but because we have new understanding about who we are today.

The three year old child's understanding of his parents is different than the teenager's - not so much because the parents have changed but because the child has grown up. This type of insight is Jonah Goldberg at his best...

Sadly(?) part of the attraction of the movie is the slavery involved.

42 posted on 01/01/2016 7:37:34 AM PST by GOPJ (Trump's instincts are as formidable as his courage, he knows the nation's bleeding out..DWest)
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To: Kaslin
"What was unique about American slavery was American hypocrisy. A country founded on human equality and inalienable rights should have been the last place where humans could be held as property."

Of course, had they tried to eliminate slavery the southern states would have never ratified the Constitution, so what then, Jonah?

43 posted on 01/01/2016 7:47:27 AM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Kaslin

XKCD had an excellent comic on what happens with Asimov’s laws as they are or re-ordered.
http://xkcd.com/1613/

And includes what happens if robots don’t have to obey you.


44 posted on 01/01/2016 7:50:46 AM PST by tbw2
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To: a fool in paradise

Mass automation in such a universe could theoretically make slavery of people practical, in that they have almost no value except for doing work droids can’t do or are too expensive to do and tasks paid people don’t want to do.

And that’s how you get someone working for food and shelter, with an explosive that blows their head of for disobedience.


45 posted on 01/01/2016 7:53:09 AM PST by tbw2
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To: bert

bttt


46 posted on 01/01/2016 7:54:05 AM PST by disndat (yousit ore loosit)
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To: tbw2

Yeah, I assume the clones are people simply grown on an industrial scale with an ingrained desire to fight and obey orders.

Freegards


47 posted on 01/01/2016 8:01:30 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Kaslin

pretty interesting. I don’t have to read comments to know the thought will generally be mocked but i have to say i was always uneasy in just how human they made the droids. I felt they elevated them too far towards human status to be true science fiction. They needed to be more robotic to be true to the genre.


48 posted on 01/01/2016 8:32:24 AM PST by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: BillyBoy; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; hockeyfan44

Forget about droids and cloned Stormtroopers mentally programmed since birth to be dutiful cannon fodder.

In the first prequel bratty Anakin and his mom are slaves, with bombs implanted in their bodies that would blow if they tried to escape. Slavery (of actual people and aliens) was illegal in the Republic, which Tatoonine was (officially at least) a part of. The great Jedi Bryan Mills could have chosen to enforce the law and shove his saber up the hoohoo of the filthy little blue insect (and anti-semetic stereotype) that presumed to call himself their owner, but he didn’t. Instead he wagered the boy’s freedom on a stupid race scene and left the mother there because it served his agenda of separating the boy from his family ties to make a better slave solider of him, usually they only take babies so they never even know their parents.

The insect later sold her to a man who “freed and married her” (did she really have a choice?) and was she later kidnapped and raped to death by Sand People.

Did I mention she was White? This disgusted me.

And did those stupid movies explore this is at all, as a great reason for a complicated and nuanced Anakin to grow to hate the hypocritical self-serving Jedi and eventually to turn against them? Of course not. He was only mad at the Sand People. Not the insect, not Liam Neeson. And he only turned to the dark side to “save Padme” and that dark side is worse than crack you know so there was no turning back even after he ODed.

And this article wants to talk about droids? They need Captain Picard to crossover and prove that you can’t prove they don’t have feelings. Problem solved.


49 posted on 01/01/2016 8:33:56 AM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy

Anakin just wanted Padme because she had those rockin' by(o)(o)bs. Even the Dark Sith Lard Hillary can't resist their magnetic pull.

50 posted on 01/01/2016 8:40:46 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy

Yoda and the Jedi are the biggest incompetents. Yoda’s old padawan was Dooku, Sith traitor. Then Yoda uses the convenient mysterious slave clone army created by his old padawan to fight the machinations of the other slave army, the droids. Which is just what the big Sith lord wanted, who is famous and hiding in plain sight right in front of the the great Yoda. Then the Jedi get killed by their brainwashed slave army. Meanwhile Obi-wan’s padawan becomes the Sith who kills all the young Jedi. Yoda and Kenobi flee.

Worst Jedi Master EVER. No wonder they didn’t just tell Luke what the actual deal was, it’s embarassing.

Freegards


51 posted on 01/01/2016 8:43:36 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Kaslin

Goldberg posits a flawed premise which is that the droids are human. From there he can say any silly thing. Does God give life to Droids? What is the definition of life? Goldberg mentions Turing and Oprah as his sources for defining life. If we can define life, human life, anyway we see fit then yes Droids are slaves. But then if a life is created expressly to be a slave what is wrong with keeping that same life as a slave? Also if life can be created by man then it seems to follow that man can own that life.

But if life is defined as a creation of God with an eternal soul Golderg is just and jester.


52 posted on 01/01/2016 8:50:38 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: zencycler

Thanks; I’m afraid it has feelings nonetheless (and a right to self-determination).


53 posted on 01/01/2016 9:05:42 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Ransomed

Even Finn approaches this category. Taken as an infant, conditioned all his life to be a soldier who didn’t actually choose that route - and fled it as soon as his first opportunity came.


54 posted on 01/01/2016 9:10:39 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Kaslin

They are fancy toasters.


55 posted on 01/01/2016 9:15:38 AM PST by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: jsanders2001

Yeah, but I wasn’t sure the person I was responding to meant Goldberg or liberal intellectuals.


56 posted on 01/01/2016 9:35:22 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: kearnyirish2

And be careful cleaning your rump with that Pinocchio soap. Rebellion could take the form of an ill-timed lie.


57 posted on 01/01/2016 9:41:08 AM PST by zencycler
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58 posted on 01/01/2016 9:41:29 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Wow. That’s the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen, today at least.


59 posted on 01/01/2016 9:49:21 AM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Ransomed

Messed up, I did. Scared (crap)less, I am. Hide, I must. Someone else’s problem, it is. ;p


60 posted on 01/01/2016 9:57:20 AM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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