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WASPs not being allowed burial at Arlington
Hot Air.com ^ | January 3, 2016 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 01/03/2016 1:57:22 PM PST by Kaslin

Another one of those “clean out the basket” stories from while I was away comes to us from the hallowed ground of Arlington National Cemetery. There was a quiet change made to the guidelines for interment there roughly one year ago which impacts a small but rightfully vocal group of citizens and their families. It involves the few remaining members of the Women Airforce Service Pilots (or WASPs) from World War II. It seems that the Army is no longer accepting the remains of the female pilots for burial alongside the Honored Dead who rest there. (Fox News)

The ashes of World War II veteran Elaine Harmon are sitting in a closet in her daughter’s home, where they will remain until they can go to what her family says is her rightful resting place: Arlington National Cemetery.

Harmon piloted aircraft in World War II under a special program, Women Airforce Service Pilots, that flew noncombat missions to free up male pilots for combat. Granted veteran status in 1977, the WASPs have been eligible to have their ashes placed at Arlington with military honors since 2002.

But earlier this year, then-Secretary of the Army John McHugh reversed course and ruled WASPs ineligible.

After Harmon died in April at age 95, her daughter, Terry Harmon, 69, of Silver Spring, Maryland, was dismayed to learn that the Army had moved to exclude WASPs. She said her mother had helped lead the effort to gain recognition for WASPs.

I’m not sure what McHugh was thinking when he made this move, or more to the point, how he explained it at the time. I suppose there could technically be an argument to make saying that the WASPs weren’t officially part of the military and didn’t fly combat missions so they should somehow be classified differently, but it’s a weak and rather offensive one. True, they were defined as a “paramilitary” unit and they were specifically assigned non-combat missions to free up the men to fly in combat. But as has been documented repeatedly, they were granted veteran status nearly forty years ago and clearly aided the war effort in a direct fashion which involved flying military aircraft.

I rather doubt that McHugh was doing this because he’s secretly part of the He Man Woman Hater’s club, though the decision casts him in a very bad light. More likely, he was examining the quickly diminishing available space for burials at Arlington and making a ham handed attempt at finding ways to make the land stretch further. That excuse probably shouldn’t be given too much weight, though, since there are barely 100 WASPs left alive today.

The land issue at Arlington isn’t going to go away no matter how this fracas is resolved. Some relief was achieved last year when space for more than 50,000 additional urns of ashes was added and 27 acres to the north of the current fields was opened up. That new real estate will allow for 30,000 additional graves, which is a great start, but we are still burying an average of 7,000 veterans per year there so it’s far from a permanent solution. Also, just getting those 27 acres was a battle because people were fighting against having some of the old growth trees in the area taken down.

Arlington is an actual problem in search of a solution and I believe one can and must be found. It’s going to take a combination of willingness and sacrifice on the part of both the government and private citizens, but a path can surely be carved outward to extend the grounds of Arlington… not through government fiat, but the good will of a nation willing to offer up the proper honors to our heroes. If we can’t solve this one then the nation may be culturally past the point of no return.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: cemetery; dsj02; funeral; pilot; veterans; women; womenincombat
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To: kiryandil

My feeling has always been that men in the Merchant Marine should have at least been considered, but I have to temper that with the concept of making rules that have a lot of exceptions, and once one starts doing that, it can wave with the political wind depending on whom is being pandered to.


21 posted on 01/03/2016 2:43:31 PM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: Kaslin
And here I thought the article's title was alluding to

White
Anglo
Saxon
Protestants

22 posted on 01/03/2016 2:44:52 PM PST by ducttape45 (Obama's legacy - Christianity outlawed, America shamed, morality destroyed. Need I say more?)
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To: Kaslin

Not enough Blacks in the WASPS,and the racists in the Obama coven can’t have that.


23 posted on 01/03/2016 2:48:19 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: DownInFlames
What about Fat Boy Kennedy also known as the swimmer also known as fat lazy and drunk a failed MP in Germany in Peace time.

Got a good conduct medal for not raping the local House Frau's.

24 posted on 01/03/2016 2:48:30 PM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: yarddog
Merchant marine had to be an extremely dangerous job in the early years of the war.

Very dangerous. You get torpedoed, in a convoy under orders not to stop?

That's all she wrote. Murmansk convoy?

Doesn't matter. You're in shock in 5 seconds, hypothermic in 15, dead in 30.
25 posted on 01/03/2016 2:49:49 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: PeteB570

>>They were granted veteran status over 30 years ago

Do all veterans qualify for Arlington? I know that there used to be criteria and not all veterans qualified.


26 posted on 01/03/2016 2:50:02 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Kaslin

I have a simple solution by presidential decree or law enacted in congress allow only world war 2 combat vets to be buried and when the last combat vet dies officially close Arlington burial.


27 posted on 01/03/2016 2:53:39 PM PST by PCPOET7
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To: peyton randolph

High government officials shouldn’t be there at all.


28 posted on 01/03/2016 2:56:25 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: kiryandil

Don’t you mean schlonging? Or is that the same thing?


29 posted on 01/03/2016 2:57:02 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: rlmorel

There were many defense and quasi-military operations during WWII. Every one of them was important to the war effort.

As mentioned already, the Merchant Marine operations were quite hazardous, and could easily be seen as a military mission, esp when the Wolfpacs were on the prowl.

Steel plants, shipyards, munitions factories, and Aircraft Factories were all considered secured locations, and all had active duty military on site. And although these support ops were essential to winning the war, and every job filled there by a woman freed up a potential soldier to face the enemy, none were considered “military service”, and none eligible for a Veteran’s burial at a state or federal cemetery.

This WASP is eligible to be interred in a State or National Cemetery along with other US Vets, and that is truly an honor our country bestows on those who served. My Father is interred in a Veterans’ Cemetery in SC, and looking at the headstones of his “neighbors”, he is in the company of true American Heroes.

Arlington is not the only cemetery in the country that honors and accepts our fallen Veterans.


30 posted on 01/03/2016 2:57:45 PM PST by wrench
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To: Vermont Lt
I recall reading about the rules for being buried at Arlington, vs being cremated and interred.

My Will says my ashes are to be scattered over Arlington Cemetery by a friend who loves drones. ;)

31 posted on 01/03/2016 2:59:02 PM PST by Does so (Europeans had better start "overstaying their visas" in the USA. ==8-O)
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To: Bryanw92
Sorry ladies, but being a WASP pilot should not qualify you for Arlington.

I dunno. While not combat, just selflessly piloting those WWII-era planes at thousands of feet of elevation deserves much recognition.

32 posted on 01/03/2016 3:04:03 PM PST by Does so (Europeans had better start "overstaying their visas" in the USA. ==8-O)
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To: OKSooner

We could ask Hillary The Liar. LOL!


33 posted on 01/03/2016 3:04:04 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: Kaslin
But earlier this year, then-Secretary of the Army John McHugh reversed course and ruled WASPs ineligible.

What was he thinking? Those brave women deserve to be with the brave men.

34 posted on 01/03/2016 3:09:40 PM PST by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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To: wrench

I don’t dispute that non-military personnel were important to the war effort. I simply don’t think they should be allowed burial at Arlington or other military cemeteries.

I think it is an absolute, horrible travesty that people like Ted Kennedy are buried in Arlington, and there are probably a lot more like that.


35 posted on 01/03/2016 3:11:11 PM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: pfflier

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36 posted on 01/03/2016 3:11:11 PM PST by DownInFlames
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To: rlmorel

I disagree. These women performed a vital role during the war and combined flew 60 Million Miles transporting aircraft, some I think even to England.

They more than put their lives on the line just as much as the men in the Army Air Corps did. The rules have been stretched since W.W. II to include a number of people and categories that allowed burial at Arlington.

Here is a link for info on the WASP’S https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots

I am including some statistics I came across a few years ago and the terrible toll the Army Air Corps suffered during W.W. II. The worst were all the accidents right here in the U.S.. Those women put themselves in that same danger day and day out. If we are only taking about such a small number then I think they more than earned it.

Amazing WW2 Aircraft Facts

On average, 6,600 American servicemen died every month during WWII (about 220 a day).

276,000 aircraft were manufactured in the US .
43,000 planes were lost overseas, including 23,000 in combat.
14,000 were lost in the continental U.S.

The staggering cost of aircraft in 1945 dollars

B-17 $204,370. P-40 $44,892.
B-24 $215,516. P-47 $85,578.
B-25 $142,194. P-51 $51,572.
B-26 $192,426. C-47 $88,574.
B-29 $605,360. PT-17 $15,052.
P-38 $97,147. AT-6 $22,952.

From Germany ‘s invasion of Poland Sept. 1, 1939 until Japan ‘s surrender on Sept. 2, 1945 equals 2,433 days. America lost an average of 170 planes a day.

A B-17 carried 2,500 gallons of high octane fuel and carried a crew of 10 airmen.
9.7 billion gallons of gasoline were consumed.
108 million hours were flown.
460 thousand million rounds of aircraft ammo was fired overseas.
7.9 million bombs were dropped overseas.
2.3 million combat flights.
299,230 aircraft used.
808,471 aircraft engines used.
799,972 propellers.

The US lost 14,903 pilots, aircrew and support personnel plus 13,873 airplanes -— inside the continental United States. There were 52,651 aircraft accidents (6,039 involving fatalities) in 45 months.
Averaging 1,170 aircraft accidents per month—— nearly 40 a day.

It gets worse.....
Almost 1,000 planes disappeared en route from the US to foreign climes. But 43,581 aircraft were lost overseas including 22,948 on combat missions (18,418 in Europe ) and 20,633 due to non-combat causes overseas.

In a single 376 plane raid in August 1943, 60 B-17s were shot down. That was a 16 percent loss rate and meant 600 empty bunks in England. In 1942-43, it was statistically impossible for bomber crews to complete the intended 25-mission tour in Europe .

Pacific theatre losses were far less (4,530 in combat) owing to smaller forces committed. The B-29 mission against Tokyo on May 25, 1945, cost 26 Superfortresses, 5.6 percent of the 464 dispatched from the Marianas.

On average, 6,600 American servicemen died per month during WWII, about 220 a day. Over 40,000 airmen were killed in combat and another 18,000 wounded. Some 12,000 missing men were declared dead, including those “liberated” by the Soviets but never returned. More than 41,000 were captured. Half of the 5,400 held by the Japanese died in captivity, compared with one-tenth in German hands. Total combat casualties were 121,867.

The US forces peak strength was in 1944 with 2,372,000 personnel, nearly twice the previous year’s figure.

Losses were huge-—but so were production totals. From 1941 through 1945, American industry delivered more than 276,000 military aircraft. That was not only for US Army, Navy and Marine Corps, but also for allies as diverse as Britain , Australia , China and Russia .
Our enemies took massive losses. Through much of 1944, the Luftwaffe sustained hemorrhaging of 25% of aircrews and 40 planes a month.

Experience Level:
Uncle Sam sent many men to war with minimum training. Some fighter pilots entered combat in 1942 with less than 1 hour in their assigned aircraft..
The 357th Fighter Group (The Yoxford Boys) went to England in late 1943 having trained on P-39s, then flew Mustangs. They never saw a Mustang until the first combat mission.

With the arrival of new aircraft, many units transitioned in combat. The attitude was, “They all have a stick and a throttle. Go fly `em.” When the famed 4th Fighter Group converted from P-47s to P-51s in Feb 44, there was no time to stand down for an orderly transition. The Group commander, Col. Donald Blakeslee, said, “You can learn to fly 51s on the way to the target.”

A future P-47 ace said, “I was sent to England to die.” Many bomber crews were still learning their trade. Of Jimmy Doolittle’s 15 pilots on the April 1942 Tokyo raid, only five had won their wings before 1941. All but one of the 16 co-pilots were less than a year out of flight school.

In WW2, safety took a back seat to combat. The AAF’s worst accident rate was recorded by the A-36 Invader version of the P-51: a staggering 274 accidents per 100,000 flying hours. Next worst were the P-39 at 245, the P-40 at 188, and the P-38 at 139. All were Allison powered.

Bomber wrecks were fewer but more expensive. The B-17 and B-24 averaged 30 and 35 accidents per 100,000 flight hours respectively— a horrific figure considering that from 1980 to 2000 the Air Force’s major mishap rate was less than 2.

The B-29 was even worse at 40 per 100,000 hours; the world’s most sophisticated, most capable and most expensive bomber was too urgently needed to be able to stand down for mere safety reasons.

(Compare: when a $2.1 billion B-2 crashed in 2008, the Air Force declared a two-month “safety pause”).
The B-29 was no better for maintenance. Although the R3350 was known as a complicated, troublesome power-plant, only half the mechanics had previous experience with it.
Navigators: Perhaps the greatest success story concerned Navigators. The Army graduated some 50,000 during WW2. Many had never flown out of sight of land before leaving “Uncle Sugar” for a war zone. Yet they found their way across oceans and continents without getting lost or running out of fuel - a tribute to the AAF’s training.
At its height in mid-1944, the USAAF had 2.6 million people and nearly 80,000 aircraft of all types.
Today the US Air Force employs 327,000 active personnel (plus 170,000 civilians) with 5,500+ manned and perhaps 200 unmanned aircraft. That’s about 12% of the manpower and 7% of the airplanes of the WW2 peak.

SUMMATION: Another war like that of 1939-45 is doubtful, as fighters and bombers have given way to helicopters and remotely-controlled drones, eg. over Afghanistan and Iraq.
But within our living memory, men left the earth in 1,000-plane formations and fought major battles five miles high, leaving a legacy that remains timeless (for which we should be grateful).


37 posted on 01/03/2016 3:12:00 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Does so

>>I dunno. While not combat, just selflessly piloting those WWII-era planes at thousands of feet of elevation deserves much recognition.

Do the male ferry pilots deserve the same recognition?


38 posted on 01/03/2016 3:12:21 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DesertRhino

The fact that Ted Kennedy is buried there scorches me to the soul.


39 posted on 01/03/2016 3:12:56 PM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: Kaslin
WASPs not being allowed burial at Arlington

Yup; this title sure sucked THIS honkie in!!

40 posted on 01/03/2016 3:13:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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