Posted on 01/07/2016 5:57:26 PM PST by VinL
Edited on 01/07/2016 7:04:50 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The vetting in this process is of folks here at FR.
Lots of nonConservatives and lots of folks who refuse to grasp facts they do not like.
Amazing.
How do you even use a computer?
Were you military? If so, where?
He doesn’t need any of it. He can apply for the paperwork today, if he had to.
The sole question is was he born to an American citizen while she was abroad— if so, he’s an American citizen.
The bc he’s presented shows his mother was born in Delaware, that’s sufficient. Unless, she’s lying, and she was born in Kenya.
Yes, my ex-husband was. In Germany we lived at Landstuhl, he was stationed at Miesau Army Depot.
Yes, it is important, because if he doesn’t have that, then he has to do THE FOLLOWING TO ACQUIRE US Citizenship based on his qualifications. If he hasn’t done so, then he has the qualifications, but he still hasn’t legally acquired his citizenship. In that case, he wouldn’t yet be any kind of citizen at all, I suppose.
Certificate of Citizenship issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
A person born abroad who acquired U.S. citizenship at birth but who is over the age of 18 (and so not eligible for a CRBA) may wish to apply for a Certificate of Citizenship to document acquisition pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1452. Visit USCIS.gov for further information.
My last assignment in Germany was in Bad Kreuznach, at the time the HQ of 1st Armd Div.
We would shop down at Ramstein, Landstuhl, K-Town pretty regularly. Had a great Chicago pizzeria between Ramstein and Landstuhl.
Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350)
As of December 31, 2010, the Department of State no longer issues Certifications of Reports of Births (DS-1350). All previously issued DS-1350s are still valid for proof of identity, citizenship and other legal purposes.
You’re misreading what you’ve posted. It says someone born abroad who acquires citizenship AT BIRTH may wish to acquire...
They’ve already acquired citizenship at birth. The certificate makes things easier, but the citizenship happened at birth.
LOL. Shopped in K-Town, O club at Ramstein, and about once a week, dinner in Landstuhl at a restaurant with pizza, but many other marvelous items owned by a man from Italy. He used to always serve me Amaretto after dinner with dessert.
. If he hasn’t done so, then he has the qualifications, but he still hasn’t legally acquired his citizenship.
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NO, WILL YOU PLEASE READ EXACTLY what it says-—— “A person born abroad who acquired U.S. citizenship at birth but who is over the age of 18 (and so not eligible for a CRBA) may wish to apply..”
He acquired citizenship through his US mother at birth-— paperwork is incidental. The word “may” in a statute is discretionary— the word “shall” is mandatory.
You’re saying if you don’t have your birth certificate, your not a citizen. I was born and raised in this country, I have no idea if I have a birth certificate— am I not a citizen?
Nope, if your paperwork isn’t filed, then you aren’t yet an official citizen. You’ve got the qualifications, but you’re in limbo.
Nope, I’m saying that being born overseas makes the requirements on your parents a little bit more stringent.
And we both know that you can track down a copy of your birth certificate if you really had to.
It says: “may wish to apply for a Certificate of Citizenship to document acquisition pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1452. Visit USCIS.gov for further information.”
TO DOCUMENT ACQUISITION.
I’d think a presidential candidate has a good enough reason to want to “document acquisition”. LOL.
Not for the US. If borne to one US citizen parent, you acquire citizenship AT BIRTH. That’s what your own citation says. It then lists two forms. The first may be filled out until age 18. This is for citizenship AT BIRTH. You get 18 years to fill it out.
The second one is what you fill out 8f you’re over 18 and ACQUIRED citizenship AT BIRTH.
I don’t think anyone will argue that you would want to document your acquisition. But the documenting happens SUBSEQUENT to acquisition. Acquisition of citizenship, that is, the taking possession of it happens AT BIRTH. Whether it’s then subsequently documented or not.
Yes, I’m not arguing that there is no citizenship at birth for those born overseas to at least one us citizen parent.
I’m arguing that you’re in limbo if you were never registered.
It’s sort of like having an AKC Golden Retriever, but you never sent the papers in.
Then, the birth certificate is sufficient. It shows his date and place of birth, and the birthplace of his mother, which is in the USA. That means, he was born an American citizen.
Next question.
You are ignoring the clear language of the state department. They say it takes a CRBA or a passport when under 18 or a Certificate of Citizenship if over 18.
You would use the Canadian birth certificate to apply for one or the other of those. If you didn’t do that, then you’d still be a purebred, but you wouldn’t have your papers.
It takes the CRBA or certificate for whar? To easily transact certain business. Certainly!
But not to prove citizenship at birth. To do so, one must merely prove one was born during an eligible timeframe, and demonstrate one parent’s citizenship, which can be deduced from the parent’s place of birth, and perhaps a simple statement that the parent was always a citizen.
The issue isn’t if he’s a citizen. He’s obviously a citizen.
But is he natural born?
This was the issue with Obama. If born in Kenya, even to an American citizen, he may not be eligible as a ‘natural born’ citizen.
Why say ‘natural born’? The framers meant something, or it wouldn’t be there.
This site says eligible:
Geraldo (ha) on Fox tonight said Cruz might not be eligible.
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