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To: Uncle Sham

The first congress clearly defined children born outside the United States to be natural born citizens. The fact that a later congress changed the wording of this law cannot take that away. The fact that the first congress, which was made up of many of the founders, passed a law which said that the children of U.S. citizens born outside the United States are natural born citizens actually is strongly supportive of the fact that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen.


6 posted on 01/08/2016 6:58:55 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin

The law that stipulates that was repealed meaning it isn’t law anymore. The law that replaced that removed that from the context for a reason.


10 posted on 01/08/2016 7:00:43 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: dschapin
The first congress clearly defined children born outside the United States to be natural born citizens.

It clearly did not. If it did, the first Congress would have said "Shall Be Natural born citizens", not "Shall be considered as natural born citizens. "

14 posted on 01/08/2016 7:02:55 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: dschapin
Natural Law is different than government law. Natural Law was referenced in the very first sentence of our founding document.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I say again natural law supersedes government law and natural law is what gave us the right to be our own nation. Government law said the founders were traitors, natural law said they were patriots. Government law says two men can get married Natural Law says marriage is between a man and a woman. Only a Natural (law) Born Citizen may constitutionally serve a President of the United States.

There are three types of citizenship
* Natural Born Citizen, two citizen parents born on soil (exceptions for foreign born if parents are abroad in service to country)
* Citizen by birth, foreign born to citizen parent(s)
* Naturalized citizen, a person made a citizen by statute.

I note on the following

The authors cite to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and ignore the fact that the Naturalization Act of 1795, with the lead of then-Rep. James Madison and with the approval of President George Washington, repealed it and specifically changed "shall be considered as natural born citizens" to "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."

James Madison the "father of the Constitution" changed the wording from "natural born citizen" to "citizen". Madison was no dope and the change was to prevent a foreign born from becoming Commander in Chief. But this also serves to illustrate that "citizen at birth" does not mean "natural born citizen".

See more at
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/tag/harvard-law-review/

A natural born citizen is so because of Natural Law not government laws. Some one born on soil with two citizen parents is a natural born citizen because no other sovereign but the sovereign of the soil he was born on has any claim to his elegance.

120 posted on 01/09/2016 4:41:45 AM PST by jpsb
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To: dschapin
Does anyone really believe the founders would consider say an anchor baby with Chinese parents a natural born citizen that would be eligible to serve as POTUS? What about the children of all the trophy wives living in the middle east or Russia are those all natural born citizens and also eligible to serve as POTUS?

Some adult female gets infatuated with say an ISIS fighter and goes to Syria, gets knocked up and has a child. That child lives with his dad until he is an adult then the child comes to the USA and that child is a NBC and can run for president? This scenario is exactly why the founders put the NBC clause into the Constitution. Void it and you or your children will regret it.

121 posted on 01/09/2016 4:42:20 AM PST by jpsb
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To: dschapin

for the sake of argument, argue this......

the word is citizens. Cruz is born of only one citizen

further “shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: “ which seems to catch both Obama and Cruz if the fathers had never resided in the US prior to the birth.

so it can be argued on two points that Cruz is not natural born


124 posted on 01/09/2016 4:53:40 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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