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To: WhiskeyX

I find it most interesting if so many people wish to create a third class of citizen. There are only two types of citizen in the United States under the law as presently understood and enforced are a citizen at birth and a naturalized citizen. There is no third if anyone can find a third classification and statute I would like to see it. Since a person who is born and is a citizen at the time of birth is not naturalized they are born a citizen thus unless you discount c-section births they are a natural born citizen.


67 posted on 01/11/2016 9:39:31 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

“I find it most interesting if so many people wish to create a third class of citizen. There are only two types of citizen in the United States under the law as presently understood and enforced are a citizen at birth and a naturalized citizen. There is no third if anyone can find a third classification and statute I would like to see it.”

You’re asking for a statute to make a natural born citizen, which is not possible. The Constitution did not grant the Congress the power to establish a uniform Rule for Naturalization of natural born citizens. The Constitution did not do so, because you cannot naturalize a person to become a citizen when the person was already born a citizen by the authority of natural law (and God). Instead, the Constitution granted the Congress the power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, which means Congress was granted the power to take non-citizens and make them by the authority of manmade statutory law persons who henceforth were to be “considered as” or accepted as if they were actual citizens at birth similar to but not exactly enjoying the same rights and duties as an actual natural born citizen. Consequently, statutory law conferring the status of natural born citizen is not possible and contrary to the meaning of the phrase. Natural born citizens exist under the authority of natural law and outside the authority of statutory Federal Law.

“Since a person who is born and is a citizen at the time of birth is not naturalized they are born a citizen thus unless you discount c-section births they are a natural born citizen.”

Totally wrong. All grants of citizenship are by definition some form of naturalization. Those examples involving the statutory grant of citizenship at birth are a form of naturalization at birth and collective naturalization at birth currently defined under 8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth. Those examples involving the statutory grant of citizenship after birth are a form of naturalization to be found under 8 U.S. Code Part II - Nationality Through Naturalization. Examples of granting actual natural born citizenship are by their definition not going to be found in any statutory law, because only God’s natural law can grant that form of citizenship. This is the ripping point for so many people in these natural born discussions. They fail to realize those of us who were born with our natural born citizenship did not acquire that citizenship because some government granted that citizenship to us. We acquired natural born citizenship by being born under the sole allegiance of the United States with two U.S. citizen parents. All other people acquired their citizenship acquired the U.S. citizenship only because the Constitution granted the Congress the power to make statutory laws that would in turn grant alien born persons to be granted U.S. citizenship retroactive at birth or after birth.


85 posted on 01/11/2016 10:33:12 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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