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To: dangus

The text of the bill:

“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”

Yes, and the text plainly says such a person is NOT a natural born citizen.

“The only wrinkle with Cruz is that his father was not a citizen. Thus, under this legislation, he would not have been a citizen. But that’s not my point; my point is that is that Congress defined natural-born Citizens as those who were citizens at birth. Later legislation allowed citizenship to be confirmed at birth when only one parent was a citizen.”

Wrong, because Congress did not make such a definition for natural born citizen, so your entire analysis fails. Congress has no Constitutional power to legislate the citizenship of a natural born citizen. The Constitution only granted the Congress the power to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” TThis Rule of Naturalization includes and can only include the making of an alien into the status of an alien who is to be “considered as” a citizen of the United States, or in the 1790 act “considered as” a natural born citizen. The usage of the legal term of art, considered as, is plain language saying the person is an alien citizen who will now become accepted as a U.S. citizen despite not having been born a U.S. citizen. The Congress has no power to make a person an actual natural born citizen at birth. The Congress only has the power to make an alien born child of a U.S. citizen be “considered as” or accepted as if they were a natural born citizen in most but not quite all respects.

“Incidentally, Cruz’s parents were never legally permanent residents of Canada. The Canadian documents suggesting they were citizens was published precisely so they could be corrected. Cruz’s parents, not being Canadian, didn’t know this. But their failure to correct a report which incorrectly lists them as citizens in no way makes them citizens.”

That is an entirely false statement, and if you continue to repeat it you will be disseminating a lie. The Canadian Government granted Ted Cruz Canadian citizenship with the birth certificate they received when he was born and which the Cruz campaign has made available to the public. Under Canadian law, Ted Cruz was able to acquire that Canadian citizenship at birth only because one or both of his parents was a Canadian citizen or a Canadian Permanent Resident. We know for a fact Rafael Cruz was a Canadian citizen or a Canadian Permanent Resident when Ted Cruz wss born, because Rafael did naturalize as a Canadian citizen before or soon after the birth of Ted Cruz and the residency requirement to do so had to overlap the date of birth of Ted Cruz. Under the requirements of Canadian law, the wife of Rafael Cruz would usually be required to complete the same steps at about the same time as the husband, so she wss either a Canadian citizen or more likely a Canadian Permanent Resident on the same road to Canadian citizenship as her husband when Ted Cruz was born.


70 posted on 01/11/2016 9:50:11 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

we’re going to do this dance until the USSC grows a pair


71 posted on 01/11/2016 9:51:10 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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