Posted on 01/12/2016 2:45:57 PM PST by kik5150
In the 2016 GOP primaries, Donald Trump has positioned himself as a hardliner on immigration. The general consensus is that no one is tougher on illegal aliens than Donald Trump. But is that actually the case?
While Trump would work diligently to deport all illegal immigrants-he has even proposed creating a “deportation forceâ€-most would be surprised to learn that he would welcome the non-violent, “good†ones back in on an expedited basis. An expedited basis means line-cutting, and line-cutting means amnesty.
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“We stopped the Gang of Eight bill. Ted Cruz led the fight against the establishment would be living under amnesty right now if Cruz had not succeeded.” - Rush Limbaugh.
“It was that close to being passed... and I think I can say this with integrity. Without the vigorous opposition of Ted Cruz, this bill likely would have passed.” - Sen. Jeff Sessions
Think for yourself. The bill ended up passing in the Senate. It was never passed in the House.
And Cruz and Sessions were holding daily meetings with House Conservatives on the Gang of 8 bill, fighting it tooth and nail. That is where Cruz and Rep. Steve King began their strong alliance. Cruz has a very good working relationship with House Conservatives, largely due to that fight.
Cruz did vote against the bill in its final form. There’s no denying that, and I’ll give him credit for that. The question is, was he willing to compromise? Would he have voted for it if his amendment had been included? To answer that, you have to ask yourself why he proposed the amendment in the first place.
I’ll let Cruz answer that as he has already done. He offered the amendment to expose the Democrats true intentions of nothing less than citizenship for illegals. Their refusal to compromise at legalization with no citizenship was what ultimately killed the bill.
So the bill would have passed if they’d compromised and accepted Cruz’s ammendment?
I turned of Rush's show the day Erick filled in for him but I do occasionally catch a snippet of his show on WSB when I am driving to work and forget to turn the radio off. He has started his own website. I don't remember what the name of it is because I don't care about anything he has to say.
The bill passed the Senate anyway, and it likely would have passed the House as well. The Senate Democrats refusal of legalization without citizenship, was the poison pill that killed the bill in the House. It was clear that Dems were all about legalizing 11 million new Democrat voters, and not about “bringing people out of the shadows” and all that other nonsense.
I find it ironic that you treat every word from Cruz as irrefutable gospel, despite inconsistencies pointed out by Trump supporters, yet insist on “reading into” everything Trump says, and castigate his supporters for not acting as if your speculative interpretations came down off the mountain with Moses.
We’re in agreement there. The bill probably would have passed if the amendment had been included. It was less likely to pass if it wasn’t. The bill was the same either way, whether the amendment had been offered and rejected, or never offered in the first place, so offering the amendment and having it rejected played little role in defeating it. It merely provided a backdrop so that Senators who voted against it could show their constituents that they were willing to compromise. Which is fine. But that doesn’t mean that proposing the bill was what killed it.
The thing is, the fact that Cruz voted against the bill as is, is a good thing. But, clearly, he had a multipart strategy, which was to try to defeat the bill if he could, but if not, then to modify it so that if it passed, it contained a compromise he could live with. Under the circumstances, maybe he thought that was the best he could get. But it does show the degree to which Cruz was willing to compromise. Trump, through his force of will has sold deportation to the American public and has turned it into a winning issue. Cruz was unwilling or incapable of doing that, and was willing to accept compromise under the existing political climate.
Cruz has never been anything less than a law and order guy. The public didn’t have to be sold on deportation. I will give Trump credit that his celebrity and brash manner of speaking did give it the attention needed.
Either the ones that have been here, shown to be productive here, and shown to not commit any crimes, other than immigration related will come back here, or we’ll get MILLIONS of Third World types from who knows where coming here for the FIRST TIME, and we can then find out what Germany is learning.
But like it or not, the FACT is that our economy cannot function short-term, without a LARGE SUPPLY of cheap and at least partially skilled labor...and our high school grads, these days, don’t even know which end of a screwdriver to hold.
So therefore Trump STILL has the ONLY PLAN that makes sense.
LOL
And finally, used in desperation when facts and logic elude the Trump supporter:
ROFLMAO
With all this back and forth on who’s toughest on immigration, we might end up with a program that actually fixes the issues.
“Trump’s immigration plan is not much different than the one proposed by Mike Pence 10 years ago. It’s amnesty with a road trip.”
Excellent point. I was excited when Trump came out with his immigration proposal after seeking Sessions’s counsel. But then Trump started touting this touch-back business and I knew he wasn’t serious.
Have you ever seen our gubmint expedite something? I was a soldier who married a German woman. A lot of GIs married Germans so the Army had worked with DoS to streamline our way through the immigration process. Many guys worked it for over a year and still had to leave without the wife and she followed later after the process was done. Even with the Army’s help it still took a long time and cost a lot. Unless Congress changes immigration law, I am not worried about it.
Since it is Trump’s expedited plan it should work, right?
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