Donald Trump on his New York Values

Youtube ^ | 10/24/1999

[dschapin]

Please listen to Donald Trump describe his New York Values to Tim Russert and explain how they may differ from Iowa values.

[TontoKowalski]

I'm saying it seems like you're labeling divorce as a "New York Value."

It looks more like a "Bible Belt Value" judging by the numbers.

And I say this as a Bible Belt Christian.

[Johnny B.]

I'm saying it seems like you're labeling divorce as a "New York Value."

Not at all.

I was responding to a poster who called Trump a "family man". He is hardly what I would consider a good family man, given his history.

There is an astonishing amount of projection going on here. People are ignoring almost all of Trump's history in order to shoe-horn him into a "conservative" mold.

[TontoKowalski]

Well, all indications are that his children adore him. He seems to have done an excellent job of raising them. They seem to be smart and business savvy. It doesn't sound as though they were spoiled as children, although I can't imagine they didn't have advantages.

His exwives also seem very supporting, and I think he's been generally kind to them following the divorce.

But none of that really matters to me. My main concern is MY family. My wife. My son. My extended family. I want them to be as safe as they can. These random terrorist killings, and the random murders by people in the country illegally... They terrify me.

Those poor people in California didn't wake up and think... "Well, this is the day a filthy terrorist kills me." It can happen to anyone, even my family. Even yours.

Safety and border security: that's top for me. Everything else is secondary.

[Lexinom]

He clearly says in this clip that he would not even ban partial birth abortion and he attributes this to his New York heritage and says that he might think different if he had grown up in Iowa. Again, game, set and match to Cruz.

See tagline.

[Johnny B.]

Safety and border security: that's top for me. Everything else is secondary.

That's a valid position.

However, I don't understand why you think that Trump would be any more effective at dealing with this than any of the other likely Republican candidates, except for his bombastic comments.

Meanwhile, the next President will probably choose several new Supreme Court justices, and Trump has entirely discredited himself on that topic. He thinks his extreme left-wing sister would make a "phenomenal" Supreme Court justice [Link]

That ought to scare the Hell out of any conservative!

[DoughtyOne]

Now here you are using a video that is 17 years old as proof of what Trump is.

No, I am using a video to show what New York values are. It isn't about Trump's views, per se. It is about how his excusing his adoption of those views by saying that they are New York views.

No?  LOL.  Then you complete the sentence by telling me you used it to show what New York values are.  You're telling me this wasn't to reveal what Trump is now (his values are now)?  You're kidding nobody but yourself with that one.

Then read the last sentence.  You said now, then continued on to verify what I explained you were doing.  You do realize that right?

Not no.  Yes!

I have not knocked Trump's views from 16 years ago.

I understand where you are coming from by saying that, but by posting what you did, that is exactly what you did.  Again, you do realize that right?

I have knocked him for his views expressed over the last few months and his 100% support of Kelo. I am philosophically opposed to his suggestion that the government shell out for unpaid medical bills, his praise of single-payer, his call for expediting the return of deported illegals, his opposition to private property rights, and his willingness to influence government to get what serves him - all at the expense of others.

Number one, you are in favor of the Keystone pipeline (or you should be), so don't tell me you're opposed to eminent domain for private business enterprises.  The pipeline will involve hundreds if not thousands of cases of eminent domain.

Number two, the indigent have had their bills paid by the government going back to at least the 1970s.  Medicaid has been doing that for a long long time.  Trump is not going to end it.  What he is going to do is try to get more people employed so the Medicaid roles are severely reduced.  That is how it should be addressed.  We will never do away with all the indigent, but we can impact their numbers downwards, and we should.  He will.

As for his influence on government to obtain special favors, we all get special favors from the government by way of individual tax deductions.  We are not crony citizens when we do it.

When Trump gets a tax break, he is doing what we do.  When he gets something over and above that, the government is in effect making an investment to help get a large project completed, so that the individuals who work there will be paying taxes.  Its gets them off unemployment rolls.  It helps them pay for their own medical care.  This enterprise sparks community growth sparking more jobs and more of the same results.

Trump gets help with zoning laws.  He gets help with other entanglements.  Are these necessarily the under the table deals they are portrayed to be, or are they essentially the methods of getting massive projects completed in most instances?  I would suggest the later.

Our forum is a very strong supporter of Capitalism, the work ethic, job creation and self-reliance.  Along comes a guy like Trump that does all these things, and some folks trash him for it.

That is terribly myopic.    

[DoughtyOne]

You want “X”.

This guy promises you “X”.

I tell you he supports “X”.

You tell me it’s impossible for him to do “X”, because government is designed to prevent him from doing “X”.

Do you really want “X”?

You do not want “X”.

[plewis1250]

Our forum is conservative first.

Trump is anything but.

Any man who supported sucking the brains out of the unborn is NOT conservative.

Just because he suddenly (right when he started to see political opportunity) decided it was bad, is hardly enough to overcome a lifetime of supporting that barbarism.

Donald J. Trump is unfit to be President, let alone our candidate.

[zerosix]

Don't think that because Roe v. Wade has yet to be overturned that Cruz, like many others, haven't been hard at work behind the scenes working to cut off as many abortions as possible until that abomination is overturned, unlike Mr. Trump p, who accepts abortion even up to the first breath of that baby, accepting that because 5 lawyers wearing black robes, believing innocent babies are OK to chop up - for money!

Its extremely important to educate Americans that what is done in abortion offices isn't "medical care for women," but murder of babies usually for the convenience of the father of the baby and millions of dollars for the abortion industry, who Obama and many other RINOs and democrats, believe giving taxpayer dollars to is OK!

[DoughtyOne]

It wasn’t that he favored doing what you address, it was because he deferred to the Leftist argument that women should be able to make the decisions concerning their own body.

Many people don’t focus on abortion in their daily lives. They are hard working people and they don’t always look at every issue the way we do.

Trump describes his transition to pro-life over time. He made the right change. I’m not sure why you can’t appreciate that.

Would it be better for you that he hadn’t started become more like us on this issue since the year 2000?

That’s hardly opportunistic.

[Hoodat]

No, I am using a video to show what New York values are.

No? LOL. Then you complete the sentence by telling me you used it to show what New York values are. You're telling me this wasn't to reveal what Trump is now (his values are now)?

Did you not see the GOP debate? This is the exact interview that Cruz referred to, revealing Trump's own definition of "New York values" which Trump was vigorously defending. Ben Shapiro posted this video in a story the next day. The video proves that Cruz was right all along, and that Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Number one, you are in favor of the Keystone pipeline (or you should be), so don't tell me you're opposed to eminent domain for private business enterprises.

A pipeline is public use infrastructure. It is not comparable with a casino resort. Nevertheless, if any imminent domain lawsuits materialize with the XL pipeline, you may be surprised to see me siding with the property owners. I'm a big John Locke fan.

As for his influence on government to obtain special favors, we all get special favors from the government by way of individual tax deductions.

I oppose individual tax deductions. I prefer a flat tax rate. Everyone who works pays. Everyone. And if you don't pay, you don't get to vote. Simple.

When Trump gets a tax break, he is doing what we do.

Kelo isn't about tax breaks.

Our forum is a very strong supporter of Capitalism, the work ethic, job creation and self-reliance. Along comes a guy like Trump that does all these things, and some folks trash him for it.

Kelo is anti-capitalistic. It takes one person's property away at the point of a gun and give it to another. Capitalism protects property rights. Kelo takes them away.

[DoughtyOne]

Nice try. This isn’t even worth responding to.

Thanks anyway.

[Hoodat]

Yet you just responded. Nice.

[plewis1250]

He clearly states he supported partial birth abortion. He used specificity to differentiate between it and standard abortions.

Any human being who supports that is barbaric.

Any conservative who is being honest with their principles and what they believe can not honestly support a murderous barbarian such as Donald J. Trump.

I could care less if his claimed enlightenment on the issue. It is political calculus.
Nothing else.

[plewis1250]

I could care less of his claimed enlightenment on the issue. It is political calculus.
Nothing else.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, I did you the courtesy of letting you know I read your post.

I know that’s something a Crewzer would grasp, so I understand.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for your response.

Does he advocate for that today?

Uh, no.

Ted isn’t running against the 1995 Trump.

Too bad for you guys.

[plewis1250]

No, he is running against Donald J. Trump.

The same Trump who has a past of supporting partial birth abortion, using government imminent domain to kick people from their homes and give their land to crony capitalists. The same Donald J. Trump whom has supported universal healthcare and supports a large, powerful federal government. The man changed all of these positions when an obvious political vacuum was present on our side, and suddenly saw the light in his lifelong liberal ways.

Nonsense.

He is a crooked, political human being whom takes pleasure in the fact he has fooled so many of you.

Wake up before you damn our country. Please, I beg you, do just a slight amount of examination. If you are truly steadfast in your conservative ideals, you will think very carefully before voting for a narcissist like Donald J. Trump.

[DoughtyOne]

I get a kick out of you folks and your negative trashing of Trump.

He’s going to be your next president.

It’s gonna be a tough four to eight years as Trump makes you eat your words over and over.

[Hoodat]

Courtesy? You did it to insult me without having to respond to any of the points I made. Let’s at least try to be honest here. I mean, just because your XL pipeline analogy has nothing to do with Kelo or casinos, it’s no reason to give the lame ‘not-worthy-of-a-response’ excuse. But hey, you’ve already convinced yourself that Trump is someone he is not, so it is understandable that you would ignore any narrative which conflicts with that false narrative.