Posted on 01/24/2016 6:27:06 PM PST by Hojczyk
Where are two Corinthians when you need them?
Pretending to be a Sikh.
Check with the Pope to be sure.
I texted and he gave a thumbs up smiley
(just kidding )
He is spending millions now.
If he actually did that, he might be a Free Republic poster. : )
It’s not a matter of theology, it’s a matter of grammar.
Pastor, it’s grammatically incorrect in English to refer to such sequential occurrences as one, two, three, etc. We say first, second, third. In 50 years of services in many different churches, the only time I’ve ever heard “two” was from a child who was simply reading the page.
If asked how many letters Paul wrote to the Corintians, the answer is two (three if you’re being technical), but if asked in which letter something is found the answer is the first or the second.
If I got up to lector and said “two Corintians” I’d get ribbed about it all week. Mr. Trump’s ego can handle a little kidding. The ability to laugh at oneself can be good for the soul, don’t you think?
It’s a matter of grammar, not theolgy, as I put in the previous post. The rules of English still apply, and we do not say “one rule, two rule, three rule” we say “first rule, second rule, third rule”.
The first sign that someone is being a sycophant is that they cannot admit to any mistake, no matter how slight. Trump made a mistake. The fact that neither you or he can even fess up to such an inconsequential grammar error is problematic. It’s not healthy.
One of the Left’s greatest failings is the refusal to ever acknowledge error. I don’t see Trump being capable of acknowledging error, not even to God he says, I don’t like that, and I don’t like sycophant support for it. Being humble is not a failing.
Sorry, but you’re without foundation in public speaking. I’m on solid ground under the heading of varying one’s patterns of speech. “Turn in your bibles to 2 Corinthians 15:1.” Or, “We’re looking at 2nd Corinthians 5:3 to 7 this morning; that is, again, 2 Corinthians 5: 3 to 7.”
I’ve got too many years as a pastor, army chaplain, and too many in public speaking to acknowledge what I know to be wrong, that we cannot vary our speech pattern. The purpose is clarity and interest. Like I say, I’ve been doing it for years, and I’ve heard the same out of countless others.
There are lots of things to pick at trump over, but this one is downright corny.
It’s okay to say Two Corinthians, I guess. I’m sure he also refers to the preceding letter as One Corinthians, just by way of consistency.
when it’s sick
Hey, Megyn Look into the mirror for a sycophant.
You got caught throwing grenades using the mediots bs about
Trump shooting someone which he didn’t say and now your bs about his bible reference.
Don’t stalk me. Cruzgrenaders are potentially dangerous people.
Have a good day! Adios!
I can’t read your post. Its too frothy. Hope you med kick in.
That might be the funniest thing I'll read today. I think you should check your presumptions at the door.
I'm on solid ground under the heading of varying one's patterns of speech.
There are many things that can fall under varying ones speech patterns. I can say "World War One", I can say "The Second World War", I can say "The Great War". Those are all valid variations that mix it up a bit for the listener. But what I should never, ever do, is say "One World War" for the sake of variance. It is both grammatically incorrect and nonstandard usage.
In public speaking such a forced error might be OK if, and only if, you wanted to make your audience focus on why you said something in such an odd fashion. However, when that is not the case it is a huge mistake to introduce ear worms that distract the listener. In the above example, a lecture on the First World War would be damaged greatly by saying "One World War". It would be an enormous distraction that many if not most listeners would focus on, instead of the content of the lecture. We see this all the time when a public speaker repeatedly mispronounces a word.
So why is it common practice to say Second Corinthians, instead of Corinthians Two? Both would be correct, but the problem with "Corinthians Two" is that we follow the books of the Bible with verse numbers, and the "two" then becomes awkward and confusing, i.e. "Second Corinthians two-two", versus "Corinthians Two, two-two", or worse "Corinthians One, one-six", keeping in mind that commas and capitalization don't exist in the spoken word.
I'm most fascinated by Trump's flub, not in that it reveals anything about him, its really a big nothing burger. But what is telling is the absolute refusal not only of Trump but his followers to acknowledge even such a small, inconsequential mistake. That is the very definition of a sycophant and that concerns me as something worth addressing.
Now, since you have a theological background, I'm interested in your theological view of Trump's assertions about seeking forgiveness. Is that what you tell your parishioners?
Silly example because it is never written 1WW and 2WW. It's written WW1 and WW2, and we see "World War One" and "World War Two said all the time
Now, you say this is a matter of grammar. Since grammar is as much written as spoken, then tell me you have never seen written "2 Corinthians". You can't. Because that is the stand way in which it is written. Don't dig your hole any deeper.
What I jokingly say to people is "He's a Presbyterian, so he's pre-selected. Doesn't matter if he understands doctrine."
Let me ask you this: Is it possible to find any posts from you since June supporting any of Trump's comments?
It is written 2 Corinthians, and it is never written Corinthians 2. So, your point has no basis in reality.
And, yes, people say "2 Corinthians" ALL the time. They write it that way ALL the time.
Correct, thank you for validating my point. We write WW II and Rule 2, because they are intended to be said that way. Saying them II WW or 2 Rule is not proper English Grammar. However, it would at least be proper to say Rule 2.
It is written II Corinthians or 2 Corinthians for the functional reasons I stated, and thus, the vocalization "Second Corinthians" is proper and the only one that isn't awkward. How odd that that you say it "Two Corinthians" all the time. How do you vocalize the second amendment? The Two Amendment?
You are pulling this out of your...hat.
You’re debating, and your ground is quicksand, but you’ll not ask for a rope.
I’m simply telling it like it is.
2 Co can be said hat way. WW2 can be said that way. Both ARE said that way all the time.
But you’ve found a “grammar rule” in fantasyland that says preachers can’t say “2 Corinthians”.
“And here’s where a miracle occurs.”
Maybe you should post your thoughts here...
https://consistentconservatives.wordpress.com/2016/01/22/regrouping/#comments
You and people you know say "Two World War" all the time? Really? You admit this?
I don't even know how to respond to that. I speak English, proper and colloquial, but I don't speak "Two World War".
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