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To: BlueStateRightist

Here’s the thing: Cruz may want a more conservative, more traditionalist nominee than Trump. However, once that person gets on the Court history tells us it’s a complete coin flip on whether that person remains conservative, remains traditionalist.

To borrow your analogy, we may have a better chance at getting a traditionalist ONTO the Court with Cruz. History says once that person is on the Court, they have a 50/50 shot at REMAINING that way.

That’s why using this as a litmus test is silly. We don’t care about what they say to get onto the Court. We only care about what they do when they’re there.


74 posted on 01/25/2016 8:55:40 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Cruz still more likely gets us there, no matter your endpoint or metric. He more likely gets us a Scalia, Alito or Thomas. Trump more likely gets us a Roberts or Kennedy. I even think Trump is capable of a Souter.


162 posted on 01/25/2016 10:52:24 AM PST by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Here's the thing: Cruz may want a more conservative, more traditionalist nominee than Trump. However, once that person gets on the Court history tells us it's a complete coin flip on whether that person remains conservative, remains traditionalist.

To borrow your analogy, we may have a better chance at getting a traditionalist ONTO the Court with Cruz. History says once that person is on the Court, they have a 50/50 shot at REMAINING that way.

That's why using this as a litmus test is silly. We don't care about what they say to get onto the Court. We only care about what they do when they're there.

Logical and brilliant post. Hope some people noticed it. I've been meaning to comment about this, so this is as good a place as any. Please pardon the length!

A lot of folks are ( perhaps rightfully ) saying I simply trust Cruz to make court picks ..., but that is an expression of faith, the results will arrive from a combination of BOTH skill and luck.

The point is that there really is no way to predict what any of our guys will do, we only know for certain what the enemy will do. Therefore, the smart play is to make sure it is our guy picking the next 4-6 Justices rather than the enemy, and even if we bat .500 or less, that is still better than .000.

So that brings up the 800 pound gorilla in the room. If you nominate what you consider the great selector and in the election he does the same or worse than McCain/Palin 2008 ( 173 electoral votes ) or Romney/Ryan 2012 ( 206 ) then you not only get to select ZERO Supreme Court Justices, but you lose the entire executive branch all in one shot. That means all judges and all cabinet departments and well, everything.

There is some irony that many people criticize Trump for having been in the casino business because many of themselves are gambling on boutique issues and esoteric appointment scenarios. The old saying: Do You Feel Lucky? certainly applies.

230 posted on 01/25/2016 2:42:43 PM PST by Democratic-Republican
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