BREAKING VIDEO=> LaVoy Finicum FBI Murder Footage – With His Hands Up

The Gateway Pundit ^ | 1/28/18 | Jim Hoft

[FreedomStar3028]

Then you haven’t watched the video. Because you clearly can see flashbangs, snow kicked up by gunfire and then the others arrive.

[LucyT]

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Thank you, BlackElk. Your post epitomizes FreeRepublic at its best.

[hoosiermama]

One of my jobs as a child was to draw a little. Christmas doodle on a stack of bills dad was sending out and write PAID IN FULL. Still remember the fresh eggs and bushel of pears he received as trade for his services.
When you’ve been poor you are more sensitive to giving back. ....and pass that attitude down to your children

[VictoryGal]

Fair observations... however, I reserve judgment until there’s more evidence.

[combat_boots]

Now, that’s TRUE. It could be any of us. And....a weapon “could have been recovered” on or about our body. Right?

[VictoryGal]

> The guys at the roadblock ambushed him.

You mean the 2nd roadblock, the one Finicum would never have run into had he surrendered at the first one?

This is why I’m waiting for more evidence. There are some wild and loose assumptions being made right now.

[VictoryGal]

> I’d read that Finicum was on his knees but I didn’t see that in the video and I just can’t watch it again.

He wasn’t. That was a lie, and calls into question all the witnesses who swore he was on his knees with hands up, in the road.

[Eagles6]

Yep. set up pure and simple.

[Eagles6]

Yep. set up pure and simple.

[Jeff Head]

Lucy, I have watched the video and analyzed it, taking several hours to go through it frame by frame.

See: http://www.jeffhead.com/Lavoy.htm

I have also talked to people with close association and knowledge of this.

I believe Lavoy was not wanting to die...its a false narrative for anyone to say he had a death wish.

But he was passionate about his beliefs, as he should be, and he came out of that car determined to try and either talk sense into the personnel there, or (as I have heard) tell them he would only talk to the Sheriff.

But in a situation like this, where the personnel on the ground view you as armed and dangerous, and where your own actions of almost hitting the one officer who stepped out to try and stop you is going to be viewed (like it or not) by those officers as an immediate beforehand threat to their life, the only recourse in such a situation, particularly when they believe you are armed and dangers (and as I have said, Lavoy was armed...but I do not believe he was dangerous...though the officers could not ascertain that from his immediate actions)...as I say, the only recourse is to get down prone on the ground with arms outstretched.

Had he done that...he would be alive.

It is tragic. Lavoy was a good man. He had eleven kids. He had numerous grandkids. I learned from a friend here who knows his family that he recently had been taking care of foster kids on his ranch. He did not need to die. He did not deserve to die. But he put himself in a position by making three decisions, that led to his death.

1) He drove away from the initial stop.

2) He tried to go around the roadblock almost hitting an officer.

3) He came out of the car and acted erratically, and appeared to reach for a gun.

In such circumstances, there was a very high probability, even a likelihood that he would be shot.

I do not believe the Law enforcement personnel murdered Lavoy. I do not believe they had “blood in their eyes,”” or were looking forward to taking down and killing some “militia.”

If Lavoy had acted like the three in the first car, the one who got out earlier, and the three in his own car at the final scene...all of whom live...he would not have been killed, and probably not even injured.

it is a sad set of events, and tragic for Lavoy, his family, and friends.

The real culprits here are the people who decided to force this issue. There was no need for it. These people had harmed and threatened no one. Their presence at that remote refuge in Winter, when it is completely closed down, threatened no one. They had been allowed to attend numerous meetings, coming and going.

The wee lulled into this...and I believe falsely promised safe passage, in order for those in charge to end it as they desired...and without regard to the danger to either those people or their own personnel.

That’s okay if there is a critical, dangerous situation which has either already resulted in death and injury to American citizens, or threatens to do so at any time,. But that was not the case here.

So, IMHO, those managers are culpable in this death and should face criminal and hefty civil charges for it...and I believe they will, and most probably the latter.

[BlackElk]

Thank you, ladies! Nice is better than not nice. As conservatives, we have to navigate through our anger and remember that we are the good guys. We can fight for our causes or candidates without losing nice as you both know because it is what you are too. God bless both of you and yours!

[azkathy]

Have you seen or I should say listened to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_u_9DSUv6c&feature=share

The eye witness who was in the car and released her testimony prior to this video said the LEO’s started shooting at them when they were originally stopped. This has her testimony and the video together.

Victoria Sharp is in protective custody because she gave her testimony after the FBI released her and she described the whole series of events. SHE WAS IN THE PICKUP RIGHT NEXT TO RYAN BUNDY! The vehicle is full of bullet holes and Ryan Bundy was shot in the shoulder while in the vehicle. If they were only shooting at LaVoy because they say “he went for a gun” why is the vehicle full of bullet holes and why did Ryan Bundy get shot???

[Squantos]

Again ......agree and trust your review of the details obtained from the information provided over time and the aerial footage ...... BTTT !

[Jeff Head]

I believe multiple shots were fired.

We need the audio to understand how many and when.

The officer(s) in the forest may have fired when the vehicle appeared like it was going to hit the one officer, and would certainly explain some of it.

The shooting at Lavoy was probably not just two or three shots. In the two or three seconds where his shooting unfolded, many shots could have been fired.

Any of those shots could have wounded Ryan.

We simply do not have the audio to play with the video and that will be critical in the future court proceedings.

My point is simple. Lavoy did not have to die. 1st, the whole take down did not have to occur...and the managers at the Federal, State, and local level are responsible for that.

Second, Lavoy made the decisions he made. Ten people were involved on the side of the Bundy’s. If those officers had blood in their eyes and simply wanted to kill and silence them...they easily could have killed them all. Yet they did not.

If Lavoy had done the things the others did...he would be alive. when he got out, the sure recourse for him for safety was to immediately get down and lay prone in the snow. You can bet those officers were yelling at him to do that.

But he did not.

I believe Lavoy felt he could get out of that truck and talk reason to the officers from his perspective, demanding that he be allowed to talk to the Sheriff.

But his actions at a time when those officers believed he was a deadly threat (and his nearly hitting the one officer will be used to establish that...you can count on that), were simply completely ill advised and ultimately fatal.

I can see how the 18 year old girl in the truck would feel exactly as she does.

But looking at the video...and presuming it is authentic...we have a broader view of what happened.

Based on seeing it, I do not believe Lavoy was murdered in cold blood by those officers. They were performing according to their training and responding to the situation as it was presented to them.

I know some people will not like that conclusion on my part. Emotions are high, and understandably so.

But I have been involved in these types of protests in the past. If to me there was the slightest hint of “murder” or of gross negligence or mishandling at the scene, I would be the first to say so...and my own record over these many years, is enough indication of it.

In this case...I simply do not see it.

Sad. Tragic. The loss of a good man, a good father, grandfather, and good American. And plenty of reason to hold the people who ordered this culpable for it too. but not murder, or intentional, willful gunning down of Lavoy.

We need to continue to protest, and we need to make sure Lavoy’s death is not in vain. What he and the Bundys were protesting NEEDS to be protested, just like we did at Klamath, OR, Jarbidge, NV, and elsewhere.

[azkathy]

Of course the worthless media are silent when it comes to a Christian Patriot being murdered. There is a ton of info out there, but do they report it? There is an Eye Witness who was in the vehicle and has not been arrested. For example Facebook has a wealth of information. From patriots discussing the situation about LaVoy “I know about a decision to not carry weapons to the presentation, and Duane had LaVoy’s firearm. So I am just going by that.”

So if my Facebook friends who are in Oregon know the group had decided to go unarmed and they have LaVoy’s weapons why isn’t anybody reporting it?

[Jeff Head]

Opss...make that eight on the side of the Bundys.

I believe another was arrested in John Day...but eight at the scene. As I said, three in the first car, one who left the second car earlier, Lavoy and three more in the second car.

Seven gave up peacefully and behaved in such a way as to not pose a threat. Lavoy’s actions, while you and I believe with all of our hearts were not meant to threaten anyone, could not have been viewed at the time from that perspective by the officers.

Particularity in trying to go around the road block and very nearly hitting the one officer. The other officers who witnessed that, would have viewed that as enough evidence to show that Lavoy was a threat and willing to use violence against them.

This is not a pleasant thing...but it is the truth.

When he reached for his coat or side, having just seen that near miss with the car, their training would have taken hold.

[TauntedTiger]

I agree, POST training took hold.

However, why no tire spikes? Incompetent or intentional?

[AMDG&BVMH]

“After Lavoy went down they tried their damndest to kill everyone in that truck “

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The video shows that very clearly and it is consistent with the young woman’s testimony. Put aside LeVoy for a moment; the vehicle with three passengers was NO THREAT to any officers. WHY did they pummel it with gun fire and tear gas?? The young woman was not arrested, she was INNOCENT. Supposedly the FBI there were HRT. There was an innocent young woman being FIRED UPON! This is NOT the way to arrest non-resisting civilians — looks like as you said, there were to be no witnesses> Watch it, what else can a person legitimately conclude?? Their lives were saved only by the snowbanks . . .

[AMDG&BVMH]

good summary

[azkathy]

Have you seen this? http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/federal_judge_denies_release_f.html

Judge keeping them all in jail until the 4 holdouts at the refuge leave. Except, I just learned this on Facebook, “Shawna Cox was released from jail yesterday.
Her son in law was killed last night in a fire when his garage exploded. They aren’t sure what caused the explosion. Please keep them in your prayers. This family has been through SOO much!”