You need to read through the thread and others.. The trime being recorded was Zulu time on the video, and this was pinted out and discussed. Zlu time is GMT and is about eifht hurs ahead of the time in Oregon.
I have it corrected it on my own site at http://www.jeffhead.com/lavoy.htm
It occurred at arounf 4:30 in the afternoon.
You can believe whatever you wish. The incident was tragic, and it was senseless that it happened...but it was not murder in th eleast.
Those officerds and the Bundys were put into a sorry situation by superiors at the Fed and State level to end the protest.
The officers complied with legal orders regarding people who they believed were breaking the law in staying at that refuge for as long as they had. We can all feel and know that their protest was justified. We can all understand that they meant to harm no one.
But the officers who were placed in that situation were complying with the law and were acting according ot well defined training and policy...like it or not.
Lavoy drove away from the stop that law enforcement made. He did that.
Lavoy tried to break through/go around a road block that law enforcement had established. He did that too.
Lavoy came very close to hitting a loaw enforcement officer who tried to get him to stop, and failing that tried to force him into the snoow.
Lavoy got out of the vehicle and did not get down on the ground.
All of these things happened...they were all base don decisions that Lavoy made.
I feel horrible about it...but that is principally what led to the shooting that day, because they were all there and the decisions that put them there were already made.
As I have said, I have been in similar circumstances when facing law enforecement when making protest like this. We did similar things at Klamath Flass.
But when you are stopped by law enfocement who know you are armed and perceive you may be dangeoru...you do not do those things.
You are free to believe however you want...so am I.
I went through the whole thing frame by frame and posted my own opinion on the matter, and did so analyticaly, objectoively, and honsetly. (ie. I did not go in with a preconceived notion that murder had been committed).
Now, the legal process wil play itself out and all the details and evidence will come out. I expect that the superiors will and should be looked at real hard and be held culpable for this incident in whatever way possible.
But I have said all of this now about 10-15 times. I am just repeating what has already been said.
Because they were shooting at him.
He came around a blind curve going 60+ miles an hour.
The second roadblock was set up too close to the curve.
Because they set up too close to a blind curve.
But they seized any video the folks in the car had.
“...Do you still have that video?
No, they took everything. ...”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3390085/posts?page=516#516
It has been posted that LaVoy left his gun HOME. IOW he was unarmed. He was right-handed and they say he reached down to his LEFT side. I assume that’s where he was shot the first time. It is alleged he was shot multiple times according to the witnesses in his truck. Hard to see on the grainy film!!!
If this was not a planned setup trap, WHY was drones involved in this terribly incident, the so-called “Traffic Stop. Makes No sense. Then there was a blackout on their film also???
CLIP: “As police stood by with guns trained on the truck, Payne was arrested. Finicum and his passengers remained in the idle truck for about four more minutes as officers hollered for them to surrender, Bretzing said.
FBI video shows Ryan Bundy surrendering to police
The FBI released video footage of the traffic stop that ended in the death of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, one of the spokesmen for the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. This excerpt shows Ryan Bundy getting out his car and tossing his gun in the snow.
That period was blacked out in the video, which resumed with footage of Finicum’s truck speeding away from the scene. Officers trailed in a black SUV, and shots were fired at the truck. It rounded two bends in the road, then rammed into a snowbank to avoid a police roadblock. As it came to a stop, the truck nearly hit an officer who was standing alongside the road.
His hands raised, Finicum ran out of the car and toward the snowbank, yelling at police. Then, as police approached with guns drawn, he reached toward the left side of his waist. He began to put his hands back up, then reached down again.
Bretzing said Finicum was reaching toward a jacket pocket that contained a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.
The video shows Finicum being shot, then falling on his back. He raised his arm, then lay still.”