West Virginia Constitutional Carry very likely in 2016

Ammoland ^ | 31 January, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Last year, West Virginia came within a cats hair of enacting Constitutional carry into law.  The law passed with veto proof margins in the House and the Senate.  It was only through insider shenanigans that the bill was sent to Governor Tomblin late enough for him to veto it without a chance for a veto override.  From wvgazettemail.com:

Lawmakers overwhelmingly approved a similar bill last year, by a 32-2 margin in the Senate and 71-29 in the House. Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin vetoed the bill, citing "overwhelming opposition" from law enforcement officers statewide.

"In light of those concerns, and in the interest of public safety, I believe a veto is appropriate," Tomblin said in the veto message issued March 20, about a week after the 2015 regular session adjourned.

Legislative leaders are taking the bill up early this session, with the intent of assuring that the Legislature still will be in session to vote to override a potential gubernatorial veto this year.

Judiciary Committee members advanced the legislation to the House floor Wednesday evening on a 17-6 vote, with a bill that closely resembles the final version of the bill that passed the Legislature last session.

West Virginia is very likely to pass Constitutional carry into law in 2016.  The West Virginia Citizens Defense League is guarding against such underhanded tactics as were employed last year. From WVCDL LOBBY DAY 2016:

[marktwain]

Several other States have good chances of passing Constitutional carry this year.

[ctdonath2]

Any chance in Georgia?

[exnavy]

We need to get back to this nationwide.

[ripley]

It just might be that the level of civility in society increases rather than the opposite.

(Progressives beware; you’re fears might get the best of you and you may have to begin behaving like civilized human beings.)

IMHO

[bert]

I have taken to watching old western movies. Last night I watched Unforgiven

a main theme was that guns must be surrendered and then law enforcement brutally enforced the regulation and ruled by fear and intimidation

The concept of towns and sheriff’s making and enforcing such ordinances is featured throughout the saga of the American West. Waytt Erp made his reputation by the ordinances. The fictional Virgil Cole is just such a lawman. That was conditional on taking the job

One wonders, why was n’t the second Amendment raised in the 1870’s?

[donozark]

Missouri is trying as well. Unsure as to outcome. Republicans control both Houses, but Governor Nixon (Dem.) is sure to veto.

[SC_Pete]

Now, they need to get rid of Senator Manchin. He ran as a gun right advocate only to support Obama-style “commonsense” gun legislation which attacks the Second Amendment. Manchin is a lyin’ sack.

[marktwain]

The few towns that had such ordinances are the exception, not the rule.

The left has made much of a few local ordinances that did not last very long. They were never challenged in court.

Today, we have a similar situation. There are a number of local ordinaces that are passed which are never challenged.

I notice that the first example that you give is a fictional one. That is because the disarmists want to create the impression that you have; that such ordinances were widespread and common.

[snoringbear]

“Now, they need to get rid of Senator Manchin. He ran as a gun right advocate only to support Obama-style “commonsense” gun legislation which attacks the Second Amendment. Manchin is a lyin’ sack.”

I’ve always thought Manchineel could be flipped under the right circumstances. If the GOP “should” win the presidency and keep both houses he just might come over, especially if his one seat will make a difference and he has a bargaining chip. We shall see....

[marktwain]

One wonders, why was n’t the second Amendment raised in the 1870’s?

Actually, it was. There were state laws that were challenged. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment only applied to the Federal Government, not the States.

It was a reaction to reconstruction, and essentially nullified the fourteenth amendment, which had been passed, in part, specifically to enforce Second Amendment rights for freed slaves.

It was not until about 50 years after the Civil war that the Supreme Court started enforcing the Bill of Rights on the States through the Second Amendment.

State courts had done so prior to 1830, but about 1830 the Supreme Court ruled that States were not restricted by the Bill of Rights, another major reason that the Fourteenth Amendment was passed after the War Between the States.

[SC_Pete]

Career politicians will always consider a deal.

[marktwain]

It was not until about 50 years after the Civil war that the Supreme Court started enforcing the Bill of Rights on the States through the Fourteenth Amendment.

Should have been the Fourteenth, as corrected above.

[Badboo]

Senator Capito (R) said in committee hearing she would support Obumer’s latest attempts at infringement. We have many traitors in both parties.

Respectfully,

[NorthMountain]

get rid of Senator Manchin

Barring extraordinary circumstances, that will occur no sooner than 2018.

Manchin is a lyin' sack.

You're putting it mildly.

[NorthMountain]

I did not vote for Capito. (I voted for the Libertarian.) Her record in the House did not inspire trust.

[SC_Pete]

Corruption.

[archy]

Several other States have good chances of passing Constitutional carry this year.

I know Indiana has a bill under consideration and Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and West Virginia have had. Know of any others?

BTW, one detail of Oklahoma's law is of particular interest:

B. Any person entering this state in possession of a firearm authorized for concealed carry upon the authority of a state that is a nonpermitted carry state and the person is in compliance with the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, the person is authorized to carry a concealed firearm in this state. The firearm must be carried fully concealed from detection and view, and upon coming in contact with any peace officer of this state, the person must disclose the fact that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm pursuant to the nonpermitting laws of the state in which he or she is a legal resident. The person shall present proper identification by a valid photo ID as proof that he or she is a legal resident in such a non-permitting state. The Department of Public Safety shall keep a current list of non-permitting states for law enforcement officers to confirm that a state is nonpermitting.

[marktwain]

Nice list. Thanks for the heads up.

The best candidates this year, IMHO, are West Virginia, Idaho, Montana, and South Dakota.

I would not be surprised if two more states go “Constitutional”.

[archy]

The best candidates this year, IMHO, are West Virginia, Idaho, Montana, and South Dakota.

My fiancee is in SD. She's working on it...hard. I do business in Montana, so I've got a dog in that hunt, too. If we can get rid of the governor, it'll happen.