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3 reasons the polls missed Ted Cruz’s Iowa victory
Vox ^ | February 2, 2016 | Libby Nelson

Posted on 02/02/2016 6:14:48 AM PST by justlittleoleme

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To: Nita Nupress

I think one of the reasons the hyper-partisan rancor built to such toxic levels is that there was no endpoint, no real feedback, until now. Only polls. And polls, subjective as they are, fed the polarization.

Now that an actual measurement has been taken, I think it’ll actually help tamp down the bitter contention.

In fact, I think we’re already seeing that here on FR. Less nastiness (IMO) from both sides and more rational discussion AFTER Iowa, compared to just before.

Pray that trend continues. Wouldn’t it be cool if Cruz and Trump could work together. Or at least not poison each other.

I don’t want Rubio either.


121 posted on 02/02/2016 7:46:05 AM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: sillsfan

I would have read Carson’s statement as “looks like he is dropping out,” too. Candidates usually “take time off” just before dropping out.

Good thing Carson and his wife were around to correct his idiotic statement that misled so many, but I can’t blame these folks for reading the obvious conclusion into Carson’s statement.


122 posted on 02/02/2016 7:48:00 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: dynoman

Yes, Jim supports both candidates. So maybe you shouldn’t be so eager to promote lies about his preferred candidate.


123 posted on 02/02/2016 7:49:35 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: bolobaby

Defend status quo politics using lies to win. Cool.


124 posted on 02/02/2016 7:50:21 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: over3Owithabrain
Not all Christians consider themselves evangelicals - in fact most do not""""....

A Christian is a Christian, whatever description they use.

They may not consider themselves Evangelicals, but they are all in the same brotherhood in the body of Christ..or the truth is not in them, can't escape that.

125 posted on 02/02/2016 7:50:35 AM PST by annieokie
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To: dynoman

You are blind. It’s beyond obvious that that is a Photoshop hoax. And you can’t see it. Wow.

I receive updates from Ted Cruz’s campaign. The fonts are all the same size, and there are no photoshopped white boxes on any of the emails I receive.


126 posted on 02/02/2016 7:51:38 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: Theo
You are the only one calling it a hoax.

And you are not addressing all the other supporting evidence of the crap Cruz and his team pulled on caucaus night - actually at the caucuses!




127 posted on 02/02/2016 7:53:46 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

Interpretation of the news is not a lie. Claiming they lied *is* a lie.


128 posted on 02/02/2016 7:56:16 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Mozilla
Then the establishment is settling on him (Rubio).

I agree with everything in your post. And it is certain that Rubio is going to be the default establishment candidate unless there is a Jeb Miracle around the corner. My personal belief is that it is going to be Trump-Cruz-Rubio at least well into March and then it will be down to two. Could be Cruz-Trump. Could be Trump-Rubio. Could be Cruz-Rubio.

One other thing: I'm seeing a lot of Trump -> Rubio transitions among my less than Freeper-Level conservative acquaintances. The Debate No-Show and the general level of negative campaigning in Iowa has turned off a few Trump fans. Of course a sample of 10 is hardly definitive. ;)

Interesting times, as they say.

129 posted on 02/02/2016 7:57:27 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: sillsfan

Carson said he was taking time off “to get some clothes”. When the guy in fourth place says he is going home for a lame reason like “clothes”, at the very beginning of the actual primary run, and only one candidate has ever won the nomination after getting less than 19 pct (GOPE guy McCain 13... Carson got 9), it is reasonable to assume that a withdrawal is near. And... Cruz never once said Carson is “dropping out”, nor did CNN... they said “stop campaigning”, which he is doing “to get some clothes”... but the anti-Cruz folks sure are working hard to make it seem like he declared something that he didn’t.


130 posted on 02/02/2016 7:58:15 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: bolobaby
Equivocation. Cute.

If Cruz and his team were ethical enough to not pull this status quo crap we wouldn't be having this conversation.




131 posted on 02/02/2016 8:00:15 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dynoman

Are we going to see this post on every thread? Just asking so I can skip over it.


132 posted on 02/02/2016 8:00:15 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Teacher317
but the anti-Cruz folks sure are working hard to make it seem like he declared something that he didn’t.

It's mildly amusing to read the sputtering outrage.

133 posted on 02/02/2016 8:00:56 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory. And He will NOT be mocked!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I know Cruz supporters would love to skip over it. Shows they are willing for the same old status quo political crap.


134 posted on 02/02/2016 8:01:32 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: RummyChick
I can’t wait to see if he pulls the Awaken the Body of Christ schtick in NH or was it just a one off thing for Iowa.

I can't wait to see if Donald Trump is going to campaign on having the EPA increase regulations and force a higher blend of Ethanol on the public in New Hampshire as he did in Iowa.

Will Trump wave his Bible that his mother gave him around in NH also or was it just a one off thing for Iowa?

135 posted on 02/02/2016 8:03:31 AM PST by CrosscutSaw
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To: Nervous Tick

** Now that an actual measurement has been taken, I think it’ll actually help tamp down the bitter contention. In fact, I think we’re already seeing that here on FR. Less nastiness (IMO) from both sides and more rational discussion AFTER Iowa, compared to just before. **

I wish I could make that interpretation, but all I see is a well-deserved 24-hour vacay for a bunch of overworked cyber trolls who are exhausted from instigating nuclear levels of mayhem and emotion. ;-)

Yes, I will continue praying for a truce, because judging from the high testosterone levels of Cruz and Trump, it WILL take a miracle for either one of them to calm down and think rationally.


136 posted on 02/02/2016 8:03:59 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

You say “testosterone” like it’s a bad thing. ;-)


137 posted on 02/02/2016 8:07:03 AM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: CrosscutSaw

It’s fair to question it from all sides.

But to me, it is particularly bad when you play the TV preacher to gain votes.


138 posted on 02/02/2016 8:07:22 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: dynoman

If you are unable to see that that image is a completely manufactured phony Photoshop hoax, then you are being willfully blind. It has *ALL* the evidence of being a hoax — JPG artifacts, mis-sized fonts, white blocks, and so on. Your apparent hatred of Jim Robinson’s favorite candidate is clouding your judgment.


139 posted on 02/02/2016 8:08:43 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: wintertime

Re:”Ok!.....We will see who is stupid. “

The self incriminating evidence you laid out there is pretty damning and leaves little doubt.


140 posted on 02/02/2016 8:09:05 AM PST by brickdds
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