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To: nitzy

The founders specified a higher standard for POTUS than any other office: Natural Born Citizen. My niece and nephew were born in Holland and they are citizens but not Natural Born. They have a Dutch father and dual citizenship so therefore were not born as sole American citizens.

Natural Born is simple and Cruz stated it in 2012:

Cruz: “Two citizen parents and born on the soil.”

This is why Lawrence Tribe called Cruz a hyporcrite - because he’s conveniently changed his tune from constitutional originalist to a “living document” constitutionalist.

Whether or not Cruz is a hypocrite is beside the point - for me at least for this argument. The question is do we now require a Natural Born Citizen or merely a citizen to be POTUS? Are we a nation of laws or men?

Are we willing to face the consequences of lowering our standards for POTUS?


42 posted on 02/03/2016 7:09:58 AM PST by Aria (2016: The gravy train v Donald Trump)
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To: Aria
There are two types of citizens..

1.) Natural Born (from birth)
2.) Naturalized (having to go through a process to change from being non-citizens to citizens).

It makes perfect sense that we would not want someone with past allegiances to be our President. The founders were correct in putting this very logical restriction in place. By statute, by law and by historical tradition, Cruz has been a citizen from the moment he exited his mother. He did not breath any breaths when he was not a citizen. He falls into category 1. His citizenship was not attained through a process of changing from one thing to another but instead because of the circumstances of his birth (his citizen mother).

Are you arguing that there are actually 3 types of citizens? 1. Natural Born 2. Naturalized 3. Something in between????? That makes no sense and would have been a completely arbitrary thing for the founders to worry about enough to put in the Constitution.

They have a Dutch father and dual citizenship so therefore were not born as sole American citizens.

"sole" has nothing to do with it. There is no restriction on having other entities recognize you as a citizen. I grant citizenship of Nitzlandia (my sovereign 10 acre slice of heaven) to all Freepers. Does this mean you can't run for President now? The Constitution is only concerned with the relationship between the individual and the U.S. not the relationship between the individual and another entity.

61 posted on 02/03/2016 8:06:52 AM PST by nitzy (I don't vote for Republican'ts)
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