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To: LexBaird
1. Are you claiming that dictionary definition is incorrect?

2. Excluded middle - where did I do that?

3.. Did you miss the this of the post part in your quest to somehow claim the Excluded middle

Definition of SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
First Known Use of SOCIALISM
1837
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Full Definition of FASCISM
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge
Origin of FASCISM
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
First Known Use: 1921
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Definition of COMMUNISM
1a : a theory advocating elimination of private property
b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2capitalized
a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably
d : communist systems collectively
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

58 posted on 02/19/2016 9:14:24 AM PST by Torcert (Veritas odium paret. (Truth creates hatred.) - Terence)
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To: Torcert
I'm saying an incomplete definition is incorrect. That's what an excluded middle is, when you state something is either one thing or the other, ignoring other things it may be. By setting your definition thus:

Since its generally axiomatic that Conservatives and Libertarians favour Limited and lesser government it will start with zero on the Right end of the scale. And by the same token the tendency of the left is for increased government control and thus the Left end will be %100 governmental control.

you set out an incomplete and artificially limited definition, set up a choice between two extremes using that false definition, and assume your conclusion within your proposal.

What you define as "axiomatic" and "tendency" are immediately assigned as true values. But they are not automatically true. They are correlated, but counter-examples abound of totalitarian Right-wingers and anarchist Left-wingers, so your premise fails from the outset.

You then state:

Now that we have established those data points we can examine what occurs as one moves along the scale from right to left.

But you haven't established that the scale is from Left to Right, and that totalitarian is at one end and anarchy is at the other. You've simply asserted it, as shown above. Yet, you say that things must be placed on this scale. That is the false dilemma, because things exist which don't fit that scale. Assigning them a place on it is a forced choice. Where do you place a totalitarian theocracy or absolute Monarchy on your scale? Where do you place the black-masked Leftist anarchists who want to abolish money? Where do you place George Washington compared to George III?

59 posted on 02/19/2016 11:01:11 AM PST by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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