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The Navy's Air Defense Missile Will Become a Supersonic Ship Killer
Popular Mechanics ^ | February 10th, 2016 | By Eric Tegler

Posted on 02/11/2016 8:30:05 PM PST by Mariner

Back in 2014, the guided missile-carrying destroyer USS John Paul Jones made history. During a live fire missile tests, one of its SM-6 air defense missiles completed the longest surface-to-air engagement in naval history. The Navy wouldn't say the exact range of the missile for security's sake, but the ability to take out incoming missiles or aircraft at long range is obviously valuable.

Now, that ability is expanding. The Navy says it will modify the Raytheon-built Standard Missile-6 to act as a supersonic anti-ship missile. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter has confirmed the service was developing the anti-ship SM-6 in an effort to give Navy cruisers and destroyers a weapon capable of reaching such targets more than 200 nautical miles away.

"We are going to create a brand-new capability," Carter said during a February 10 press conference in San Diego. "We're modifying the SM-6 so that in addition to missile defense, it can also target enemy ships at sea at very long ranges."

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To: Hoosier-Daddy

This would be far worse because it would be far more efficient.


21 posted on 02/11/2016 10:05:31 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftidsts is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: Crucial
What if they were able to make a fusion bomb. Think about that.

They already have a fusion bomb, and have had it for many years - that's what a hydrogen bomb is.
22 posted on 02/11/2016 10:08:28 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Also, a hydrogen bomb is really just a more efficient fission bomb with the neutrons from the hydrogen isotopes further splitting the uranium.


23 posted on 02/11/2016 10:11:29 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftidsts is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: Mariner

Hello, barbarians! Please, come right through the gate. Make yourselves at home. Stay as long as you like. Yes, dig right in. Oh, don’t mind the natives. They won’t resist for long. Flail away, ha, ha! Say, allow me to show you this great anti-ship missile we’re developing to punish anyone who crosses us one day. Woah, hey! Watch what you do with that axe! You nearly split my head open!


24 posted on 02/11/2016 10:26:07 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Mariner

Lockheed Martin Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile

defense-update.com

25 posted on 02/11/2016 10:41:45 PM PST by Daaave ("Where it all ends I can't fathom my friends")
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To: Mariner

The warhead on the Exocet that sunk the Sheffield didn’t detonate.


26 posted on 02/11/2016 10:48:35 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

In the end, fusion is much more efficient in terms of energy output than fission and therefore has a greater potential of destructive capability.


27 posted on 02/11/2016 11:00:12 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftidsts is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: arthurus

Donald Trump has a supersonic ship.


28 posted on 02/11/2016 11:20:50 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: sparklite2

Ahhhh. But can it hit the target? We used to be worried about a lot of their missiles till the wall came down and we got our hands on some.

Very inaccurate. And their engineering has not got any better.

Their solution is numbers. Throw a whole lot of them and one of them might hit.


29 posted on 02/12/2016 12:04:48 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Mariner

This is a major deal, we’ve only had subsonic harpoons for 40 something years.


30 posted on 02/12/2016 12:06:38 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Mariner; CivilWarBrewing; sparklite2; The Antiyuppie
Nonsense. The Chinese have nothing as capable. Active homing, mach 3.5, 200+ miles range and it attacks not along the surface, but from above. And hits moving targets. Sure, they've put concepts on the drawing board with the "Carrier Killer", but that's a pipe dream that will be at least a dozen years in development.

The Chinese actually have a supersonic anti-ship cruise equipping some of their destroyers (the Luyang III Class), with these missiles to be carried on their submarines soon. The missile is the YJ-18, which is a copy of the Russian supersonic Klub. If they managed to copy the Klub properly, then they have a very capable missile that carries a big warhead at supersonic speeds.

Outside China, a few countries have bought Russian supersonic anti-ship missiles (e.g. Algeria and Viet Nam), but the big users are Russia and India. Russia has had supersonic anti-ship missiles for decades due to their naval doctrine that called for big ships and submarines that would mass-launch large ASMs at USN carrier groups, and once those ships (e.g. the Soveremny) and submarines had launched the missiles, they had 'permission to die.' It is very interesting now to read strategic projections of what a Cold War naval battle between the US and USSR would have been like, and seeing that surface combatants on both sides were not expected to survive first contact. The Russians had missiles like the Sunburn and Shipwreck (with missiles like the Shipwreck having ranges of almost 700 miles, and coming in ripples with some hitting at the waterline and some top-attack) for decades.

Recently the Russians have the Strobile, out of which they produced the Indian BrahMos. The Russian version of the Strobile (the Oniks) has a range of 600 miles and a warhead over 500 pounds, and is able to do coordinated waterline/top-down attacks from different angles.

Personally I am very happy that the USN is getting a supersonic ASM, even though it has a small warhead. Why? Because several Standards launched against an enemy ship will do a softkill by taking out radars and communication, and without that the ship becomes absolutely defenceless. Once it cannot defend itself, then a single anti-ship version Tomahawk, or a Harpoon, would have a very high chance of taking out that ship (as opposed to the chances a subsonic missile like a Harpoon or Tomahawk would have against a modern ship operated by the enemy - which would be quite low). The standards are a major game changer for USN surface ships.

USN submarines don't really need a supersonic ASM though, as the Virginias are quite enough to get close enough to deploy their heavy torpedoes (unlike MOST enemy subs that require the safety provided by sub-launched supersonic ASMs). A USN submarine is quiet enough to get in within range of its torpedoes, launch them, and manage to egress safely/quickly/deep. Enemy diesel-submarines are quiet enough to get close enough to launch torpedoes, but would not be able to safely egress. Supersonic long-distance ASMs help them out.

Anyway, great news that the USN has a supersonic ASM. DARPA was working on two ASM designs by the way - one very stealthy, and the other hypersonic. So far the stealthy version seems to be getting all the funds, but I would not be surprised if in the near-future the USN fields a supersonic, or even hypersonic, ASM. Survivability against very-high-speed missiles, coming in from different vectors, is quite low. Almost zero with gun-type defense systems like the Phalanx and AK-630 CIWS, and while missile-based systems like the Rolling Airframe Missile and OSA systems provide better protection than gun-type systems like the Phalanx, they are still not yet guaranteed against a mass attack. Laser systems in the future will be better.

31 posted on 02/12/2016 1:17:33 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping


32 posted on 02/12/2016 1:26:48 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling of America's Party for President the only person to restore the Republic)
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To: Mariner

China has many more long range ASGMs than the US which also have programmable attack altitude profiles. The US most certainly is playing catch-up.

Are you forgetting this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-270_Moskit

And these?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-ship_missiles#People.27s_Republic_of_China


33 posted on 02/12/2016 3:21:17 AM PST by Justa
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To: The Antiyuppie

quick-response repair crews - which are unfortunately becoming more and more reliant on women who lack the strength to so the job, not to mention the Navy’s penchant of building self-sinking ships and planes that can’t fly, and still other ships are made with aluminum which burns easily.


34 posted on 02/12/2016 3:29:24 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I contact people. To take out the toyota, what is the proportional response? If it’s cheaper and safer (remember talk about the A-10 taking out the miles long caravan? would the A-10 have been hit in the process?) then hopefully the generals will order more training and supplies.


35 posted on 02/12/2016 3:40:48 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: doorgunner69

You mean the shrapnel falling into the water? Not a dammed thing.

And if, if the intercept was so close that shrapnel impacted the ship, it’s energy is already dissipated or never reached a maxima sine the warhead would detonate low order.

It might leave scorch marks on the hull. That’s about it. Scrub and repaint. Next!


36 posted on 02/12/2016 4:04:04 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: doorgunner69

You make a very bad assumption about the physics of impacts. If the CIWS impacts the munition, it will, at an absolute minima, interrupt its flight path. Probably causing the munition to tumble.

Typically, the hit is so catastrophic that the fuze assembly is disable or damaged... no boom: But the possibility of a kinetic hit still. But then you have the whole interrupted flight path again.

And at supersonic speeds, tumbling leads to rapid, less than 250 milliseconds, disintegration.

There are some pretty good YouTube videos that show what happens to a supersonic body that gets clipped. It’s over quickly.

Does this mean that the ship survives unscathed? No. Does it mean it’s out of the fight? No.


37 posted on 02/12/2016 4:11:15 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: doorgunner69

That would be true if the incoming missile flew true after being hit, but I suspect that the flight profile might go a bit askew after it is no longer even close to being symmetrical.


38 posted on 02/12/2016 4:14:10 AM PST by Pecos (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.)
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To: Mariner

Unless Obama pulls another Clinton Tech givaway... Or another clinton.


39 posted on 02/12/2016 7:08:18 AM PST by carjic (Media and GOPe are making the only people I trust not electable)
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To: spetznaz

Neither the Russian or Chinese missiles match the SM-6 for range and speed.


40 posted on 02/12/2016 7:08:52 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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