Posted on 02/13/2016 7:29:26 AM PST by rktman
If you want to know what knives are actually legal to own or even to carry in the UK, you better bring a legal pad and a pen with a lot of ink in it.
We've said it before. Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control. And the same can be said for the route the UK is taking in having some of the strictest knife control laws on the planet.
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Cuffs is a BBC fictional drama. Also it was rubbish and has been cancelled. LOL
As Winniesboy has posted, complete nonsense.
And the UK media has NOT run stories stating they are banned. At best a few doctors in A&E called for a ban about ten years ago. Despite it being completely ignored, US myth has it somehow that this led to a ban.
Maybe because I monitor the UK stories here, just as I don’t monitor the MLB ones. Or ones from N Carolina.
Ah, more third hand crap about the UK. Funny how never wishing to come here dosent stop you commenting on a foreign country every day. Even when those comments are consistently nonsense.
Oh, I enjoy seeing just how much rubbish people on FR can write about the UK.
LOL...you’re a FINE MAN, even if we disagree a bit.
Americans are allowed firearms here as long as they have legal ownership proof from the US and a visitors firearm permit from the UK. So the idea of a judge berating an American and telling her to go home over a pen-knife is just nonsense. In fact the judge’s comments wouldn’t be tolerated no matter who was in the dock. Brit or American. Unless you can prove the story, I am calling BS on this.
Frankly, an American using a small legal knife in public to defend herself against three muggers ending up in court dosent pass the smell test. Let alone the judge’s alleged comments.
I am being polite here, but I really would like to know where these stories are coming from, as the UK freepers inc myself here are the first to read the newspapers quoted.
Yes, we are much much better. Our Constitution enumerates our God given right to bear arms in defense of ourselves and our nation.
Our Supreme Court has confirmed that in ruling after ruling.
For every two tragic crimes such as the ones you mentioned I can cite 10 examples of firearm carrying private citizens who have saved quite literally dozens of lives. In Britain entire neighborhoods wet their pants at the sight of a single round of .22 LR caliber ammunition laying in a gutter.
Even in a reputedly gun unfriendly state like Illinois I’m perfectly free to grab my AR and AK pattern rifles, 3 or 4 semi-automatic pistols, thousands of rounds of ammunition, toss them in the back seat of my car, head over to a friends property, and shoot to our hearts content. One friend owns five cannons and a belt fed fully automatic rifle. All local law enforcement does is drop by for some trigger time. Granted he’s an hours drive away in Wisconsin. But my point still stands.
In Britain your constabulary would call out the Army and your entire country would retire to fainting couches with historic cases of the vapors.
Both my wife and I a legally entitled to strap on .45 caliber semi auto pistols and conceal them upon our persons as we go about our daily lives. Should we happen upon some islamist rapefugee assaulting a uniformed member of our military with a meat cleaver we would be perfectly within the bounds of the law to kill him on the spot. And we would have the means to do so readily at hand.
So once again, yes. We are much, much better than you.
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The story was in either The Sun or Daily Mail. And the incident happened in their subway. It happened several years ago. I don’t put up stories here willy-nilly. You can call BS all you want.
A bit late to the party, eh, old chap?
It appears self defence is still problematic in Old Blighty, with the victim assumed guilty until proven innocent.
Not too off topic, but what do you think of the explosion in gun sales & NCIS checks here in America?
Ever since our Tnediserp more or less directed the masses to “turn in your guns and trust the Muslims”, Yanks are going the 1775 route, don’t you know.
It’s what I read in the UK papers. You want I should fill up posts to you every time something like this happens? You’d be at it until the wee hours. I guess you don’t remember the Brit. soldier butchered by two mussies either. Maybe to you that might a BS story if you hadn’t read it.
1-—No, they don’t print what you claim. I discussed this earlier.
2—Lets assume the story is correct. In fact, what AT WORST would happen is that said lady would be questioned by police and perhaps the knife removed as evidence. The police would return it to her, with a probable flea in the ear about public carrying. At worst, it would be taken off her and not returned. Would depend on the common sense of the police.
She would not be arrested for self defence (another US myth about the UK). She would not be arrested and charged for carrying said knife. She could not be committed to trial in a court. As there are several levels of ‘punishment’ one gets here before the level of a court, even local courts. An ‘offender’ may simply get a verbal warning or caution or written warning/caution. The idea a lady victim would end up herself in court over a small knife is nonsense.
Even if the lady was carrying said knife and the mugging had never happened, and lets say the police spotted it, given her sex and why she was carrying (fear of crime) and her nationality, the police officers themselves would have another option simply to take the knife off her. Even before marching her off to the police station.
3—Again, the judge’s actions/words if true would have made headlines, esp if American. Judges simply cannot behave and speak like that here and if they do, they are subject to disciplinary action.
Sorry, the whole story smells like US internet third hand myth about the UK.
"Real people have experienced the absurdity of such rules being enforced with diligence across the country. Three knife-wielding burglars [guns are illegal in England] invaded a home in England, tied up the family members and threatened to kill the father. One of the members managed to escape and get help. The family member and the helper returned and inflicted permanent brain damage on one of burglars — a criminal, by the way, with more than 50 previous convictions — using a cricket bat. Authorities arrested the defendants — the victims — and sent them to prison for more than two years. The attacker? He escaped punishment."
"A well-known television personality was sitting at her kitchen table with her daughter one evening when she caught several young men peering through the kitchen window. Looking around for something to defend herself and her daughter from imminent attack, she found — oh, no! — a kitchen knife and waved it in front of them, chasing them away. Hertfordshire police arrived at the scene and informed her that the knife was an “offensive weapon†and therefore was illegal. She avoided being arrested, but the Sunday Telegraph explained: “She was not looking to be a vigilante … but ... police explained to her that even if you’re at home alone and you have an intruder, you are not allowed to protect yourself.â€
Read more at:http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/20985-self-defense-in-the-uk-is-illegal
And I'm still on about the American woman who defended herself with a knife when accosted by two/three males in a subway and the judge/magistrate chastised her and told her to go back to the US.
1-—Wrong, and this has been explained to you many times.
As has the fact that the UK self defence laws were strengthened in FAVOUR of the public twice in the last ten years (2007 and 2010). What people in the US believe or have been told about our laws is simply wrong.
I have also told you more than once that I was a victim of crime in 2008 and therefore KNOW the self defence laws personally as well as general knowledge of them.
2—Great. If socially sad if necessary. I am a UK gun owner and supporter of your 2nd.
Enlighten me?.
I AM British!. I live in the UK!. I know our laws and I have been the victim of crime, as well as the user of the UK self defence laws in said crime in 2008.
I am also a UK gun and knife owner: both modern and antique and militaria.
Did you see the last line on that page you linked? I’d love to read the answers they must get.
I forget where I watched this, probably youtube. Some poor construction worker was arrested for having a utility knife with which he used for cutting cardboard on construction sites.
i have a switch blade can close it with one hand never been cut.
Scottie, your return smash is faster than Billie Jean King’s!
;^)
1-—Self defence in the UK is LEGAL. In fact made more legal in 2007 and 2010, which strengthened the existing laws in favour of the public. Its legal if necessary in the UK to kill an attacker/burglar. As has happened at least twice in the UK in recent years.
Any American article which says its not legal is telling lies. Please check with the other UK freepers to confirm what I am posting. Or please contact the UK police and Home Office.
2-I am aware of those cases. The former, as bad as the scumbag was, the UK laws rightly allow for legitimate self defence, including death. BUT that does not allow you to do anything to an assailant or burglar IF you have him under control. If he tries to kill you, you can kill him. If you have him under citizens arrest/control, you cant then beat him to death or run him over.
The former case was a disgrace re his punishment, but that’s a issue aside from the issue of self defence. That’s bad judges and soft sentences.
The latter case was based on one stupid warning from one young police officer. What US media DIDNT report was that the police later apologised to said celeb (TV host and musician Mylene Klass) and confirmed to her and to the press/public, that the advice given was wrong. One stupid young PC who didn’t know the law.
3— I dont need to read inaccurate AMERICAN articles about BRITISH law. Its such articles I am trying to make people like you stop reading and find the actual facts.
4—Good luck, I doubt such a story exists. But good hunting.
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