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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
How are you going to "stand with Israel", which in your definition is: "Condemn the Palestinians as devils" if you're being asked to establish a peace treaty between two different sides? That's not how you make a successful deal.

Hm. I don't recall any conservatives advocating peace between Rhodesia and Communists in Africa, or between Somoza and the Sandinistas. But for some reason, whenever it comes to Israel things are very different, and "conservatives" want to give the Arabs half of the country.

But then, if you reject the idea that the Torah (including its national components) is still fully in effect, I suppose you wouldn't care whether Israel continued to exist or not--other than perhaps for reasons of Biblical sentimentalism. But an awful lot of "conservatives" seem sadly lacking in this most conservative outlook.

96 posted on 02/17/2016 8:23:47 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Hm. I don't recall any conservatives advocating peace between Rhodesia and Communists in Africa, or between Somoza and the Sandinistas.

IOW, you want our money but not our meddling in your affairs. Alright then.

Imagine that! They can't possibly be the same as Biblical Israel because they're not Calvinists!!!

Since about 70AD Israel has gone without a Temple nor a monarchy of any kind. The Temple was utterly destroyed on the same exact day as the last Temple was destroyed due to the wrath of God, and what followed was the death of between 1 to 2 million Jews, with many more sold into slavery and scattered across the globe. And since that time, you've had no Prophet, though many false Messiahs. No peace. Even though God always gave hope, and promises, and specific timeframes for how long your punishment should last. And the land utterly trampled under by Gentiles, even to the present day with the Palestinians controlling the Temple mount. You have no Moses. No lawgivers. Just a secular state in its place that is hardly ruled by religious Jews.

So yes, even on an objective level, or even from a historical Old Testament perspective, this Israel is not the Israel of the Bible.

Hm. I must confess that I am unaware that the Israelis were organizing mass Mexican immigration into the United States

Look at the Republican Jewish Coalition. Look at every Jewish organization in the country. They might differ on many things, but they all like amnesty. Yet, look at the ADL. They have a page in favor of amnesty and mass immigration, then another defending Israeli immigration policy. Even Netenyahu criticized Trump's Muslim moratorium, even though Israeli immigration law is even harsher.

142 posted on 02/17/2016 9:49:45 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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