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Ted Cruz, facing suits on Canadian birth, lawyers up
http://www.mcclatchydc.com ^ | March 1, 2016 | MARIA RECIO

Posted on 03/03/2016 10:05:54 PM PST by NKP_Vet

WASHINGTON Ted Cruz, tagged as "Canadian" by a needling Donald Trump since the GOP race tightened in January, rejects any idea of being ineligible to be U.S. president.

While Trump hasn't followed up on his threat to sue Calgary-born Cruz over what he says is the Texas senator not meeting the constitutional requirement of being a "natural-born citizen," plenty of other people have. Trump has warned that Democrats will disrupt the electoral process by suing if Cruz is the nominee.

And that's caused Cruz a bit of trouble. He has had to lawyer up to fight the more than half-dozen lawsuits around the country, some in federal court, some in state court. A Cook County, Ill., judge tossed one of the suits Tuesday, not over the citizenship issue but over a technicality of how the papers were served.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016election; alexjones; birthers; breaking; cruz; nbc; tinfoilhattrump; trump
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To: Yosemitest

Like Labatts with poutine and a side of fonts, couldn’t be more Canadian.


81 posted on 03/04/2016 6:27:13 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

Completely agree.

Too much of our nation has been given away by the hair splitters seeking a path in the legal language to circumvent our laws. The irony in it is disgusting. More so, the blatant lack of shame in their actions is downright treasonous. They have used their positions in public office to conspire against America and its people without consequence or pause.

On the absolute basics, Cruz has not shown a single US identification document with his name on it. Many thousands of naturalized Americans are equally patriotic as Ted Cruz, that simply doesn’t make them eligible for this job. Not every soldier gets to be a General no matter how heroic they are in battle. A point I see you addressed in a later post.


82 posted on 03/04/2016 6:32:47 AM PST by xander
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To: NKP_Vet

bmfl


83 posted on 03/04/2016 7:10:40 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: NKP_Vet
not over the citizenship issue but over a technicality of how the papers were served.

Gee, where have I read that one before.

Next it will be no one has "standing"

84 posted on 03/04/2016 7:46:30 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: TXSearcher

Trump was beating Cruz “on the issues” when Trump first brought up Cruz’s eligibility. He’s still beating him “on the issues”, winning 10 out of the first 15 states. This needs to go to the Supreme Court and let it be decided once and for all. There is no way in hell anyone born in a foreign country to an American parent is automatically eligible to be the US president. It’s the height of lunacy. It works for children of the US Armed Forces stationed in that country, born on a US base, and for those born to American parents who are serving in a US state department capacity. No one else.


85 posted on 03/04/2016 7:47:24 AM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet

Get it out of the way now.
Cruz is well away he isn’t eligible and is hoping for a sympathetic judge who won’t want to disrupt the voice of the people /s

If you are a natural-born citizen, you should up with your birth certificate. No lawyer required.


86 posted on 03/04/2016 7:48:43 AM PST by mabelkitty (Trump 2016!)
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To: Yosemitest

Pure Obot propaganda.


87 posted on 03/04/2016 7:52:07 AM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: Yosemitest

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

The Harvard Law Review Article Taken Apart Piece by Piece and Utterly Destroyed

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

If there is extensive law written that covers election fraud, but it is impossible to enforce, or if a sufficient number of people agree that So-and-So is the President or Pope despite the law, how does that not utterly, completely destroy the entire notion of the Rule of Law itself? As I have said for years with regards to Obama, if you can’t enforce Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, what can you enforce? Can you enforce the border? Can you enforce citizenship? Equal protection? Search and seizure? Right to bear arms? Can you enforce the law against treason? Theft? Murder? Trafficking in body parts? Religious persecution?

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

Not much information exists on why the Third Congress (under the lead of James Madison and the approval of George Washington) deleted "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790 when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1795. There is virtually no information on the subject because they probably realized that the First Congress committed errors when it passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 and did not want to create a record of the errors.

It can be reasonably argued that Congress realized that under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, Congress is given the power to make uniform laws on naturalization and that this power did not include the power to decide who is included or excluded from being a presidential Article II "natural born Citizen." While Congress has passed throughout United States history many statutes declaring who shall be considered nationals and citizens of the United States at birth and thereby exempting such persons from having to be naturalized under naturalization laws, at no time except by way of the short-lived "natural born" phrase in Naturalization Act of 1790 did it ever declare these persons to be "natural born Citizens."

The uniform definition of "natural born Citizen" was already provided by the law of nations and was already settled. The Framers therefore saw no need nor did they give Congress the power to tinker with that definition. Believing that Congress was highly vulnerable to foreign influence and intrigue, the Framers, who wanted to keep such influence out of the presidency, did not trust Congress when it came to who would be President, and would not have given Congress the power to decide who shall be President by allowing it to define what an Article II "natural born Citizen " is.

Additionally, the 1790 act was a naturalization act. How could a naturalization act make anyone an Article II "natural born Citizen?" After all, a "natural born Citizen" was made by nature at the time of birth and could not be so made by any law of man.

Natural Born Citizen Through the Eyes of Early Congresses

Harvard Law Review Article FAILS to Establish Ted Cruz as Natural Born Citizen

Watch: Mark Levin declares Ted Cruz a "Naturalized Citizen"

Mark Levin Attacks Birthers: Admits He Hasn't Studied Issue; Declares Canadian-Born Cruz Eligible

The settled law of the land is that the US President must be a natural born citizen, and that to be a natural born citizen, you must have been born in the United States to parents both of whom were US citizens when you were born.

You may disagree with the goal of the Constitutional Convention, and/or with the means they chose to achieve it. But it's not a technicality, not an anachronism no longer relevant in modern times, nor is it racist. Especially in modern times, it enables persons of any race or ethnic heritage to become President. And it's what the Constitution requires.

You may also disagree with binding precedent regarding the meaning of "natural born citizen" as established in Minor. But in our system, the Constitution, and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, are the "supreme law of the land." And if one faction gets to disregard the Constitution and/or the Supreme Court because they disagree, then that sets a precedent where all other factions can do the same.

Any Argument Against the Natural Law Definition of "Natural Born Citizen" Can easily be Defeated Here

88 posted on 03/04/2016 7:53:47 AM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: Undecided 2012
this is funny. whenever Cruz creeps up the birther issues start up again. classic

If that theory were true, Rubio would be the target right now.

If Cruz were really a threat at this point, the GOPe it self would be pursuing this in court.

89 posted on 03/04/2016 7:55:26 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: A CA Guy

“What is his favorite hockey team?”

I’m going with Dallas Stars.


90 posted on 03/04/2016 7:56:20 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (GOPe - Enriching the consultant class while selling out their constituents.)
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To: Yosemitest

If “Constitutional expert” Levin were not a Cruz fan he would saying Cruz was not eligible, by using a strict interpretation of the Constitution.


91 posted on 03/04/2016 7:56:33 AM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The SC will punt, claiming it is a political question.

If Congress accepts the Electoral College results, it will be a done deal regardless.

That might actually be the best, because there is a chance Congress would rely on original intent. There is NO CHANCE the courts will rely on original intent. It is history and philosophy, but long dead as operating legal theory.


92 posted on 03/04/2016 7:56:53 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Rubio is an anchor baby definitely not eligible. Both his parents were Cuban nationals. Rubio was born in 1970 and his parents were not US citizens until 1974.


93 posted on 03/04/2016 8:01:21 AM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: Bubba Gump Shrimp

From Wikipedia:

After graduating from Princeton, Ted Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. Referring to Cruz’s time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant!”


94 posted on 03/04/2016 8:03:05 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Yaelle
Cruz could have become a citizen from birth by his mom filing for his BC.

Actually, the process for a child born abroad must apply for a CRBA, the CRBA is then forwarded to the State Dept. for approval and if approved the child is naturalized under statute and then receives a US BC.

95 posted on 03/04/2016 8:03:17 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Yosemitest; All

Dear “Yo-sodomite”

http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/

VIDEO: THIS is why Cruz and Rubio didn’t attempt to have a court decide their eligibility in the past. They would have been ruled ineligible!

If you are NBC = No “cut & Paste” needed.

If you need “cut & paste” to make you a citizen = NATURALIZED not NBC

It really is THAT SIMPLE!!


96 posted on 03/04/2016 8:04:19 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Yosemitest

In your own screed post you missed this part, which is VERY important:

who was born on US soil of two NON-citizen Chinese parents,

did you see that?

Born ON US SOIL!!!! Cruz was NOT born on US soil. Now, tell us again how this applies to Cruz?


97 posted on 03/04/2016 8:08:02 AM PST by austinaero
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To: NKP_Vet

Agree completely.


98 posted on 03/04/2016 8:09:22 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Yaelle

Cruz is not naturalized. A naturalized citizen is one who was ineligible for citizenship and then goes through a process to become a citizen. Cruz could have become a citizen from birth by his mom filing for his BC. She didn’t. So while he was eligible from birth, he on paper had no documentation other than Canadian. Thus he entered the USA at 4 as a Canadian baby. He probably thought he was American his whole childhood, but he wasn’t until age 16 when his mother finally formalized it.

It’s almost an optics thing. It just feels weird to have a President who wasn’t even American until age 16.


I think the scenario you presented is the correct one, and explains why he won’t release his US birth documents.

When the Boys from Havana were hounding Trump about his tax returns, I wish Trump had responded with, “I’ll release my tax returns when you two release your US birth certificates”.....


99 posted on 03/04/2016 8:13:53 AM PST by AFret.
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To: NKP_Vet; Sidebar Moderator

Why is this in Breaking News? It’s from 2 days ago.


100 posted on 03/04/2016 8:17:00 AM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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