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Think Trump was crude? The Founding Fathers were just as bad
boston.com ^ | BETH J. HARPAZ

Posted on 03/05/2016 8:18:40 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: bigbob
Ha. I do read history.

Just because Washington was against profanity doesn't mean that he couldn't use it when the SHTF.

Washington's Order Against Profanity

The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice hitherto little known in our American Army is growing into fashion. He hopes that the officers will, by example as well as influence, endeavor to check it and that both they and the men will reflect that we can little hope of the blessing of Heaven on our army if we insult it by our impiety and folly. Added to this it is a vice so mean and low without any temptation that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.

(Signed,) George Washington

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61 posted on 03/05/2016 8:59:43 AM PST by RoosterRedux (When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction. - Mark Twain)
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To: Salamander
Thanks to the internet and camera phones, precious little is “private” any more.

It is what it is. The founders had printing presses, we've got Twitter. It's all good.

62 posted on 03/05/2016 9:00:05 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: SuzyQue

If they had been spoken in public — and sometimes they were — you still had dueling. Witness Alex Hamilton v. Aaron Burr.


63 posted on 03/05/2016 9:00:40 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Joe 6-pack

So Obama is a worthy man because he continues in his job because threats have been made against him.

The difference is, had the founding fathers lost, they would have all been hanged. If Trump loses, he is still worth $4 billion.


64 posted on 03/05/2016 9:00:56 AM PST by rey
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To: mouse1

“1828, Jackson supporters accuse Adams of having premarital sex with his wife and being a pimp, claiming he arranged an American hooker for Czar Alexander I.”

In addition, Adams was also accused of being an elitist,a silk stocking, a tool of bankers, a snob, being a protectionist and being part of a dynasty.

Jackson in turn, was accused of being a bigamist, a murderer, a duelist, mistreating his slaves, executing deserters, crude, drunken, vulgar, often enraged. Jackson was also accused of mass murder of indians, insubordination and being a demagogue and a rabble rouser.

there was nothing private about this stuff.
It was on handbills posted all over the country.


65 posted on 03/05/2016 9:02:09 AM PST by Reverend Wright (Illegal immigrants: Arrest, Intern, Deport)
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To: RoosterRedux

Another thread rationalizing Trumps crude antics. Let’s do it better! Get Andrew Dice Clay promise to build a Yuuuuge wall and let’s nominate him. Maybe we could have Howard Stern as his running mate.


66 posted on 03/05/2016 9:04:54 AM PST by Blackirish ("Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners." - George Carlin)
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To: rey; RoosterRedux; dp0622
I also think one needs to be careful comparing Trump to the founding fathers.

It's already been done.


This is an ongoing list of historical, popular, and Biblical people, as well as fictional characters and animals, that Donald Trump has been compared to on FR:

67 posted on 03/05/2016 9:05:11 AM PST by EveningStar (It's a cult.)
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To: dainbramaged

Good thing for Jeb that duels were outlawed.


68 posted on 03/05/2016 9:05:11 AM PST by Yaelle (We finally have a strong, courageous leader who likes US, the People!)
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To: rey
"So Obama is a worthy man because he continues in his job because threats have been made against him."

Obama is a true believer in his agenda, and at least in that regard, has put his money where his mouth is. It's not a matter of morality or immorality, right or wrong, but simply one of commitment to one's cause. Kamikaze pilots were no different.

"The difference is, had the founding fathers lost, they would have all been hanged. If Trump loses, he is still worth $4 billion."

Any candidate that loses goes back to where they were at the start of the campaign. Your heartburn with Trump sounds as though it's with the amount of his personal worth; perhaps there's a place in the Sander's campaign for you. But if Trump wins, he turns over his personal worth to a blind trust to be managed by a complete stranger. I ask again, would you be willing to do the same on behalf of your country?

69 posted on 03/05/2016 9:07:25 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Another thread rationalizing Trumps crude antics. Let’s do it better! Get Andrew Dice Clay promise to build a Yuuuuge wall and let’s nominate him. Maybe we could have Howard Stern as his running mate.


70 posted on 03/05/2016 9:07:42 AM PST by Blackirish ("Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners." - George Carlin)
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To: rey
I do not think Trump would pledge his life, sacred honor, and property to anyone or anything.

He wears a bullet proof vest under his jacket every day.

He has opened up himself and his family to incredible abuse but they agreed that it was worth it. Melania has spoken of this recently.

He has risked some depreciation of his business but it's so substantial that I think this is the least of the three.

71 posted on 03/05/2016 9:08:28 AM PST by Aria (2016: The gravy train v Donald Trump)
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To: jimbo807

Perhaps on his best day Donald Trump was worthy enough to wipe the manure off of George Washington’s riding boots. Bringing up the Founding Fathers only serves to emphasis Trump’s many deficiencies and personal failings.


72 posted on 03/05/2016 9:10:12 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: rey
I do not think Trump would pledge his life, sacred honor, and property to anyone or anything.

He already has, something Cruz hasn't.

73 posted on 03/05/2016 9:10:14 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: bigbob

no need. that’s long known.

but he was essentially the first big liberal, so why would this be shocking?


74 posted on 03/05/2016 9:11:14 AM PST by dp0622
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To: House Atreides

I am beginning to doubt your steadfast devotion.


75 posted on 03/05/2016 9:12:08 AM PST by KC Burke (Consider all of my posts as first drafts. (Apologies to L. Niven))
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To: RoosterRedux

I think of old Ben Franklin and just how crude he was. He scandalized nearly everyone


76 posted on 03/05/2016 9:12:08 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: RoosterRedux

Uh, no.


77 posted on 03/05/2016 9:13:56 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: rey

Since he is willing to self fund and to be paid only one dollar a year to be president you are obviously wrong


78 posted on 03/05/2016 9:14:04 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: RoosterRedux
‘‘These were words written or spoken in private, not in public,’’ said Chernow

Another 'historian' full of baloney. Concerning Lord Coke's opinion in Calvin's Case, James Wilson wrote in his Lectures on Law -

The character of an opinion, like the character of a man, may be illustrated by tracing its history and pedigree. The opinion, that “the common law of England, as such, has no allowance or authority in the American plantations,” is the bastard child of this bastard mother, begotten on her body by the Commentaries on the laws of England.
The Works of the Honorable James Wilson, 1804, Volume II, Page 448

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When they felt the situation justified it, the Founders seemed to have little problem with a well-placed profanity.

79 posted on 03/05/2016 9:14:13 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: EveningStar

This is an ongoing list of historical, popular, and Biblical people, as well as fictional characters and animals, that Donald Trump has been compared to on FR:
Batman
Battlefield surgeon
The Blues Brothers (”We’re on a mission from God!”)
Asa Buchanan (One Life To Live)
...
Solomon
Truman
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Sir William Wallace (real life subject of Braveheart)
Washington

what about Don Rickles and Triumph the insult dog !


80 posted on 03/05/2016 9:14:21 AM PST by Reverend Wright (Illegal immigrants: Arrest, Intern, Deport)
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